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[Hectic]

So tempting.

[Reundo]

You need to reconsider your read on Mene, Reundo. Are you only townreading him because of his push on Norwee?

I mean yeah that's part of it. I'm thinking it's not that likely scum!Mena sticks out his neck that far to case Norwegian and actively engage with others to jump on-board. There were a few iffy moments, and looking back I'm a bit wary about his defense of Almost too, but overall I think he had pretty solid points, so I don't think it was unjustified. I have noticed he's gotten lazier over the passing days, especially today, but there's still been some towny pings after D3. I kind of see the merit in scum!Mena just hard efforting on replace in and then sulking back the rest of the game, but I'm still not comfortable voting him atm.

Why Mena over dave, Hectic?

P-Edit:Mmm... yeah. Like I can see Mena being scum if dave's scum but the associative isn't strong enough for me to be OK with Mena first based on that alone.

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 6.04

Not Voting

(5): Menalque, Reundo, davesaz, Dunnstral, Hectic

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-01-04 16:45:00)

[Reundo]

@reundo, I think Hectic and Menalque aren't likely to be scum together, and you're a townread. It follows that Dunn is scum by POE. Given a choice between a 50/50 where I'm unsure which is scum and which is town vs someone who is just scum, I'd prefer the simple case. Do you have good reason to think that Hectic and Menalque are both scum? Or at least sure enough that you think it's better to go for one of them first? There is more to Dunn as well but again taking a drive to visit the snow rn.

I mean, this'll be some pretty good scum theater if Mena and Hectic are scum together, so I'm doubting it. And yeah, I want you to expand more on Dunn too b/c nothing you've put out about him today has made any sense to me (unless your posts the next page were supposed to be you expanding on that, in which case yeah I'm still not very convinced).

[Reundo]

I haven't gotten a great impression off of davesaz the entire game. A lot of his posts look kind of towny at first but upon further analysis aren't really all the substantive, like that wall he posted earlier today. There are signs of engagement here and there but also a lot of questionable posts, and overall I don't feel great about the slot.

I dunno quite what to make of Hectic. He seems fairly engaged with the game a lot of the time and I do find myself mind-locking with him on a lot of his reads, but I do get a buddy-buddy feeling from some of his posts, and him opening declaring his intent to sheep me doesn't help with that, even if he does admit it looks scummy. Also him insisting his own hammer is NAI rubs me the wrong way.

[Reundo]

Him doing nothing all game is prob scum indicative for him

Though tbf, I don't really agree with this. Like maybe in terms of the past two days, sure, but saying Dunn's Dunn nothing all game is a stretch.

[Reundo]

@Mena, why is dave town?

[Hectic]

I think it's Mene and Dave so I would settle for lynching Dave, Reundo. I was scumreading Dave for the past two day phases for the same reasons you said above, in that a lot his analysis is not substantial and he feels different to his usual town assertive and analytical self.

Regarding my townread on you, you being cautious about me buddying you only strengthened it, and my track record in LyLo situations is garbage (misfired last two games), hence why I made that comment about sheeping you.

[Hectic]

Would still rather lynch Mene simply for how he's treated my slot this day phase, and the weird switch to Dunn from me for what I see is very little reason. He was incredibly engaged while pushing Norwee, and now has seemingly lost interest in LyLo when it's most important? Kinda convenient.
I might be a little biased in this read though and it's hard not to be.

[davesaz]

For the moment, I have more time now than I have had in the past 3 weeks. We'll see how long it takes to get a family interrupt.

Dunnstral

102 posts in iso

Votes:
Zote (16, RVS)
Norwegian (56, Naked)
Wake (320)
PMysterious (748)
Flavor Leaf (946)
splitfarvle (1132)
Dolly (1222)
Dolly (1716)
(Unvote Dolly 2225)
Menalque (2230)
Dolly (2304)

Reasons given for votes:
Norwegian - none directly stated
Wake - positioning, amended a few pages to posturing
PMysterious - "posturing around wake"
Flavor Leaf -- was this before or after guilty? Requires separate analysis.
splitfarvle - no immediate reason given, appears to be naked
Dolly 1222: naked, would need to review context
Dolly 1716: justification had been given previous day, I guess
Unvoted for no apparent reason other than forgot to unvote. Must be post 2214
Menalque: probably because of 2141, but 2141 doesn't say a reason per se
Dolly: Presumably because of deadline, but the post itself is naked. Doesn't need a reason at this point really.

There was a well-stated reason for scumreading Dolly. Of all these votes, that's the only one that had a well-stated reason in the immediate vicinity of the vote post. I do note that he says he had been "pushing" Vorkuta before that point, but the lack of a vote in that direction casts a little doubt on whether that read was as strong as he seems to be saying it is.

Flavor Leaf vote is obviously on someone who had been guiltied but I'd have to look at the timing to see if it's merely following the "cop" or if it's a bus. Moving on to doing that next.

[davesaz]

I have a guilty on Flavor Leaf

VOTE: FL

I'll let them speak

I'll let them speak

Given that it's

Flavor Leaf

that is probably a horrible idea

Damn. I’m actually a Night 1 Miller Novice Role Cop. I didn’t think anyone would target me the first night, and I’ve been claiming Miller as scum a lot early game lately.

I just did it in a game A50 and I had ss scum recently even.

UNVOTE:

I don't buy this at all but I'll hold off for clarification

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This isn't really very strong evidence either way. Letting FL speak can be motivated by either town wanting to see if there is any reasonable explanation for a false positive or scum wanting to see if their partner's defense is any good. The vote is near the middle of the wagon so that doesn't help much either. The timing is reasonably close together so there isn't any evidence of buying time to discuss in scum thread. Not a smoking gun, can't rule out a bus.

[Hectic]

Saying "I'll let them speak" is a weird one in that it obviously associates you with Leaf if he's lynched, and Dunn didn't need to comment that since he wasn't unvoting Leaf and no one had anyway of knowing he was online. Unless he was trying to discourage people to quick lynch him but that's unlikely.

[davesaz]

I do note that he says he had been "pushing" Vorkuta before that point

Retracting this part. Dunn pointed out that Dolly had replaced Vorkuta, but didn't actually say anything else about Vorkuta in that post.
He had mentioned Vorkuta before. So I was just plain wrong that he hadn't mentioned the slot previously.
Time is a wonderful thing, isn't it.

[davesaz]

Saying "I'll let them speak" is a weird one in that it obviously associates you with Leaf if he's lynched, and Dunn didn't need to comment that since he wasn't unvoting Leaf and no one had anyway of knowing he was online. Unless he was trying to discourage people to quick lynch him but that's unlikely.

To be fair I also said I was holding off on voting, but it was because I had several pages left to read and didn't know the vote count at the time.

[davesaz]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dunn did not make a single post referencing or replying to FL before the vote.

[davesaz]

Saying that A50's post feels like distancing is Dunn's very first reference to that slot as well?

[Hectic]

Hmm, interesting. So is Dunnst your preffered lynch right now, Dave?

[davesaz]

Ugh, I'm learning to dislike both extremes in terms of game activity.
The way you ask that question gives me the heebie jeebies. Why don't you comment on it other than to say interesting?

[Menalque]

VOTE: hectic

I just don't really see hectic not being scum tbh

[Menalque]

guess we'll see

sorry to town if this is losing, I've been super disconnected and I think this is probably the best thing I can do

[Menalque]

I think Dave is pretty town

I guess I could see reundo and Dunn but seems less likely

[davesaz]

VOTE: Hectic
Yeah, that reaction to me was weird.

[Reundo]

VOTE: Hectic

[Menalque]

ahh gg

[Menalque]

idrk why you didn't push the hectic/me dichotomy > Dunn