Wake88's Large Normal Review, December 2019

[PenguinPower]

11.) You should post what results they will get in the PM similar to the cop (Vanilla Townie, Not Vanilla Townie, No Result)
38.) Should read: Cannot be targeted by any abilities (actions) other than killing abilities (actions). Obviously, this is negated by the BP, but Ascetic should still read correctly if you are going to separate out by each ability. Otherwise, they may infer that any other claimed ascetic roles cannot be targeted by any abilities as well.

Scum Role PMs: Since they are going to have a factional PT, you should include something regarding that in Scum Role PMs so that it is distinct from the Neighborhoods and will differ between scum factions.

[Wake1]

I will add those change soon. Really bogged down by work atm.

I really appreciate your patience, all.

[Wake1]

Game Rules

Game Timeline

• Day Phases will last 2 weeks.
  
• Night Phases will last 2 days.

General Rules

• Don't quote your role PM.
  
• This
  is my color (#FBB917). Please don't use it.
  
• Sharing PM or PT communication is forbidden. Paraphrasing is fine.
  
• Keep all game talk in the game thread & PTs.
  
• Do not use encrypted or hard-to-see text.
  
• Don't publicly accuse other players of cheating.
  
• Pretending to break a rule is the same as rule-breaking.
  
• Don't play against your win condition.
  
• Those modkilled become Neutral Survivors and don't win.
  
• I reserve the right to change the rules at any time.
  
• Scum win when their numbers equal or exceed that of the Town's, and all enemy anti-Town factions are dead.
  
• Miscellaneous section is subject to updates.

Activity

• 48 hour inactivity nets one prod.
  
• If prod is ignored 48 hours after prod, forced replacement occurs.
  
• 3 prods = I will start looking for a replacement unless the original player returns.
  
• Be aware of any PMs from the mod.
  
• If you plan to be absent for a long period of time, please give notice.
  
• The preferred way to contact me is via PM.

Votes and Lynching

• Votes must be in the format of VOTE: Player Name.
  
• Unvotes are not necessary to change a vote.
  
• A player will be lynched if a simple majority of the players have voted for that player.
  
• A lynch occurs when half of players +1—rounded down—vote the same person.
  
• Once I have posted your death scene, you may not post. No "bah" posts.
  
• You may change your vote as many times as you wish.
  
• After a lynch has been made, all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post until I lock the thread.
  
• If a majority of votes is not reached by deadline, there will be no lynch for that day.
  
• You may vote not to lynch by saying
  VOTE: No Lynch
  /VOTE: No Lynch.

Behavior

• Harassment of an individual player is NOT permitted. While this is a competitive game, no personal attacks will be tolerated.
  
• Do not discuss this game anywhere else with anyone else unless your role allows you to.
  
• If you die, do not continue posting in game or PT threads. Post only in Dead PT.

Setup

• This game has a Day start.
  
• 'Citizen' will be used in place of 'Vanilla Townie.'
  
  
• This is a Closed Setup.
  
  
• Scum have Daytalk.
  
  
• Deadline extensions may be permitted.
  
  
• Faction Ratio is 37:6:6:1.
  
  
• This setup does not include any non-normal/Variant roles.
  
  
• The game uses a specific version of Natural Action Resolution. It's outlined in 'Miscellaneous.'
  
• There is at least one Neighborhood in this game.
  
• There may be duplicate roles.
  
• Any role may be Town or Scum.
  
• Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.
  
• Role assumptions are not advised.
  
• ALL PTs will be revealed post-game.

Votecounter

• Use the official [ vote ] and [ unvote ] tags. For example, If you wanted to vote for Thesp, you would type VOTE: Thesp.
  
• Avoid abbreviations. Spell out the player's name that you are voting for.
  
• Don't use the word "Vote" with a colon unless you are actually voting. Even better, use the VOTE: tag!
  
• Don't use the word "Unvote" in bold, unless you are actually unvoting.
  
• Don't vote for multiple different people in the same post.

Spoiler: Miscellaneous

The only results a Cop would get are "Innocent," "Guilty," and "No Result."

A Gunsmith would receive a result of 'This player owns a gun,' 'This player does not own a gun,' or 'No Result.'

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

Should an X-Shot ability be used, and that player is roleblocked, he or she will have used up that shot.

Roleblockers cannot be roleblocked.

'1-Shot Bulletproof' status will only protect against one NK attempt during a Night. If two are attempted that same Night on that '1-Shot Bulletproof' player, he or she will die.

There may or may not be a Neighborhood(s).

"Informed" Modifier - This role gives the player information about the setup (pregame, or with timing determined by a role modifier), and is considered Normal on mafiascum.net provided the information given is objective and accurate. The information can be any information about the setup, but should be non-random with regards to what player-slot is being referred to. For example, if someone is to be told that a player is town, it should be noted in the setup specification that the player they are told is town is a randomly chosen vanilla townie, or a specific power role, and not just a randomly chosen town player.

Informed roles should flip with only their role name, and not any private information; an Informed role is effectively an investigative role whose investigation happens passively and automatically, with the actual information being the "investigation result". An Informed Townie should therefore flip simply as "Informed Townie" (with a redacted role PM, if role PMs are included in flips). Similarly, a Rolecop would only see "Informed", and would not get to see the information itself.

If a Commuter is commuting, it is untargettable that night by any means, not even Strongman, Roleblocker or Ninja. Any role that attempts to target a commuting Commuter should be treated as though they are blocked (e.g. receive a "No Result" pm if they are investigative).

All night actions targeting players with Ascetic (excluding NKs) will fail. All information-gathering actions targeting them will return with 'No Result.'

If a 'Jack-of-All-Trades' dies and flips, its 1-Shot abilities will be listed.

A Rolestopper can prevent its target from being affected by anything, whether Night Ability or Night Kill.

'Vanilla Cop,' if used, will return a result of 'Vanilla,' 'Not Vanilla,' or 'No Result.' Targets that yield a result of 'Vanilla' are Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and a Serial Killer with no abilities or modifiers.

"Can the last mafia member, if a PR, kill AND use their role, or must they pick one?" No, the last Mafia member must pick one. He or she cannot use a power role and simultaneously perform a Night Kill.[/b]

Natural Action Resolution

Commute - {Commuter}
Blocking - {Roleblocker > Rolestopper}
Jailkeep - {Jailkeeper}
Protection - {Doctor > Bodyguard}
Miscellaneous - {Neighborizer > Friendly Neighbor}
Kill - {Mafia factional kill = SK factional kill = Vigilante}
Role Investigation - {Cop > Gunsmith > Role Cop > Neapolitan > Vanilla Cop}
Action Investigation - {Tracker > Watcher > Voyeur > Follower > Motion Detector}

The '>' represents internal priority between the roles.

The '=' means that internal priority between the roles is the same.

All Night Kills have the same priority/speed.

A Cop's result of 'Innocent' means that player is Town.

- Updated 8/3/2016

Sample Role PM:

Citizen

Welcome,

[Player Name]

. You are a

Citizen

.

Abilities:

-

Win condition:

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is still alive.

Please read these rules one more time.

Especially

Miscellaneous.

[/area]

[Wake1]

Fixed.

I can't believe 12 days went by that quickly. Working way too much.

[Wake1]

Bump.

[PenguinPower]

I'll take a look at them tomorrow. I've got a lot going on today.

[Wake1]

Bump.

[PenguinPower]

Sorry. Just add the Factional PT stuff to the Mafia Role PMs and you should be good to go.

[Wake1]

Game Rules

Game Timeline

• Day Phases will last 2 weeks.
  
• Night Phases will last 2 days.

General Rules

• Don't quote your role PM.
  
• This
  is my color (#FBB917). Please don't use it.
  
• Sharing PM or PT communication is forbidden. Paraphrasing is fine.
  
• Keep all game talk in the game thread & PTs.
  
• Do not use encrypted or hard-to-see text.
  
• Don't publicly accuse other players of cheating.
  
• Pretending to break a rule is the same as rule-breaking.
  
• Don't play against your win condition.
  
• Those modkilled become Neutral Survivors and don't win.
  
• I reserve the right to change the rules at any time.
  
• Scum win when their numbers equal or exceed that of the Town's, and all enemy anti-Town factions are dead.
  
• Miscellaneous section is subject to updates.

Activity

• 48 hour inactivity nets one prod.
  
• If prod is ignored 48 hours after prod, forced replacement occurs.
  
• 3 prods = I will start looking for a replacement unless the original player returns.
  
• Be aware of any PMs from the mod.
  
• If you plan to be absent for a long period of time, please give notice.
  
• The preferred way to contact me is via PM.

Votes and Lynching

• Votes must be in the format of VOTE: Player Name.
  
• Unvotes are not necessary to change a vote.
  
• A player will be lynched if a simple majority of the players have voted for that player.
  
• A lynch occurs when half of players +1—rounded down—vote the same person.
  
• Once I have posted your death scene, you may not post. No "bah" posts.
  
• You may change your vote as many times as you wish.
  
• After a lynch has been made, all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post until I lock the thread.
  
• If a majority of votes is not reached by deadline, there will be no lynch for that day.
  
• You may vote not to lynch by saying
  VOTE: No Lynch
  /VOTE: No Lynch.

Behavior

• Harassment of an individual player is NOT permitted. While this is a competitive game, no personal attacks will be tolerated.
  
• Do not discuss this game anywhere else with anyone else unless your role allows you to.
  
• If you die, do not continue posting in game or PT threads. Post only in Dead PT.

Setup

• This game has a Day start.
  
• 'Citizen' will be used in place of 'Vanilla Townie.'
  
  
• This is a Closed Setup.
  
  
• Scum have Daytalk.
  
  
• Deadline extensions may be permitted.
  
  
• Faction Ratio is 37:6:6:1.
  
  
• This setup does not include any non-normal/Variant roles.
  
  
• The game uses a specific version of Natural Action Resolution. It's outlined in 'Miscellaneous.'
  
• There is at least one Neighborhood in this game.
  
• There may be duplicate roles.
  
• Any role may be Town or Scum.
  
• Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.
  
• Role assumptions are not advised.
  
• ALL PTs will be revealed post-game.

Votecounter

• Use the official [ vote ] and [ unvote ] tags. For example, If you wanted to vote for Thesp, you would type VOTE: Thesp.
  
• Avoid abbreviations. Spell out the player's name that you are voting for.
  
• Don't use the word "Vote" with a colon unless you are actually voting. Even better, use the VOTE: tag!
  
• Don't use the word "Unvote" in bold, unless you are actually unvoting.
  
• Don't vote for multiple different people in the same post.

Spoiler: Miscellaneous

The only results a Cop would get are "Innocent," "Guilty," and "No Result."

A Gunsmith would receive a result of 'This player owns a gun,' 'This player does not own a gun,' or 'No Result.'

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

Should an X-Shot ability be used, and that player is roleblocked, he or she will have used up that shot.

Roleblockers cannot be roleblocked.

'1-Shot Bulletproof' status will only protect against one NK attempt during a Night. If two are attempted that same Night on that '1-Shot Bulletproof' player, he or she will die.

There may or may not be a Neighborhood(s).

"Informed" Modifier - This role gives the player information about the setup (pregame, or with timing determined by a role modifier), and is considered Normal on mafiascum.net provided the information given is objective and accurate. The information can be any information about the setup, but should be non-random with regards to what player-slot is being referred to. For example, if someone is to be told that a player is town, it should be noted in the setup specification that the player they are told is town is a randomly chosen vanilla townie, or a specific power role, and not just a randomly chosen town player.

Informed roles should flip with only their role name, and not any private information; an Informed role is effectively an investigative role whose investigation happens passively and automatically, with the actual information being the "investigation result". An Informed Townie should therefore flip simply as "Informed Townie" (with a redacted role PM, if role PMs are included in flips). Similarly, a Rolecop would only see "Informed", and would not get to see the information itself.

If a Commuter is commuting, it is untargettable that night by any means, not even Strongman, Roleblocker or Ninja. Any role that attempts to target a commuting Commuter should be treated as though they are blocked (e.g. receive a "No Result" pm if they are investigative).

All night actions targeting players with Ascetic (excluding NKs) will fail. All information-gathering actions targeting them will return with 'No Result.'

If a 'Jack-of-All-Trades' dies and flips, its 1-Shot abilities will be listed.

A Rolestopper can prevent its target from being affected by anything, whether Night Ability or Night Kill.

'Vanilla Cop,' if used, will return a result of 'Vanilla,' 'Not Vanilla,' or 'No Result.' Targets that yield a result of 'Vanilla' are Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and a Serial Killer with no abilities or modifiers.

"Can the last mafia member, if a PR, kill AND use their role, or must they pick one?" No, the last Mafia member must pick one. He or she cannot use a power role and simultaneously perform a Night Kill.[/b]

Natural Action Resolution

Commute - {Commuter}
Blocking - {Roleblocker > Rolestopper}
Jailkeep - {Jailkeeper}
Protection - {Doctor > Bodyguard}
Miscellaneous - {Neighborizer > Friendly Neighbor}
Kill - {Mafia factional kill = SK factional kill = Vigilante}
Role Investigation - {Cop > Gunsmith > Role Cop > Neapolitan > Vanilla Cop}
Action Investigation - {Tracker > Watcher > Voyeur > Follower > Motion Detector}

The '>' represents internal priority between the roles.

The '=' means that internal priority between the roles is the same.

All Night Kills have the same priority/speed.

A Cop's result of 'Innocent' means that player is Town.

- Updated 8/3/2016

Sample Role PM:

Citizen

Welcome,

[Player Name]

. You are a

Citizen

.

Abilities:

-

Win condition:

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is still alive.

Please read these rules one more time.

Especially

Miscellaneous.

[/area]

[Wake1]

Updated.

[Wake1]

Bump.

[PenguinPower]

/pass

[implosion]

One tiny note - the two lines in rules:

There may be duplicate roles.
Any role may be Town or Scum.

should probably be omitted or rewritten. The first is implicitly always true for normals; the latter is explicitly not true for normals, as certain roles (e.g., miller, vigilante, strongman) are alignment-locked.


When I put the game into signups, I'll make the faction ratio public since it is public - anything else I should make public then?

[Wake1]

I'll make those changes very soon.

Could you please tell them there's Day chat?

[Wake1]

Game Rules

Game Timeline

• Day Phases will last 2 weeks.
  
• Night Phases will last 2 days.

General Rules

• Don't quote your role PM.
  
• This
  is my color (#FBB917). Please don't use it.
  
• Sharing PM or PT communication is forbidden. Paraphrasing is fine.
  
• Keep all game talk in the game thread & PTs.
  
• Do not use encrypted or hard-to-see text.
  
• Don't publicly accuse other players of cheating.
  
• Pretending to break a rule is the same as rule-breaking.
  
• Don't play against your win condition.
  
• Those modkilled become Neutral Survivors and don't win.
  
• I reserve the right to change the rules at any time.
  
• Scum win when their numbers equal or exceed that of the Town's, and all enemy anti-Town factions are dead.
  
• Miscellaneous section is subject to updates.

Activity

• 48 hour inactivity nets one prod.
  
• If prod is ignored 48 hours after prod, forced replacement occurs.
  
• 3 prods = I will start looking for a replacement unless the original player returns.
  
• Be aware of any PMs from the mod.
  
• If you plan to be absent for a long period of time, please give notice.
  
• The preferred way to contact me is via PM.

Votes and Lynching

• Votes must be in the format of VOTE: Player Name.
  
• Unvotes are not necessary to change a vote.
  
• A player will be lynched if a simple majority of the players have voted for that player.
  
• A lynch occurs when half of players +1—rounded down—vote the same person.
  
• Once I have posted your death scene, you may not post. No "bah" posts.
  
• You may change your vote as many times as you wish.
  
• After a lynch has been made, all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post until I lock the thread.
  
• If a majority of votes is not reached by deadline, there will be no lynch for that day.
  
• You may vote not to lynch by saying
  VOTE: No Lynch
  /VOTE: No Lynch.

Behavior

• Harassment of an individual player is NOT permitted. While this is a competitive game, no personal attacks will be tolerated.
  
• Do not discuss this game anywhere else with anyone else unless your role allows you to.
  
• If you die, do not continue posting in game or PT threads. Post only in Dead PT.

Setup

• This game has a Day start.
  
• 'Citizen' will be used in place of 'Vanilla Townie.'
  
  
• This is a Closed Setup.
  
  
• Scum have Daytalk.
  
  
• Deadline extensions may be permitted.
  
  
• Faction Ratio is 37:6:6:1.
  
  
• This setup does not include any non-normal/Variant roles.
  
  
• The game uses a specific version of Natural Action Resolution. It's outlined in 'Miscellaneous.'
  
• There is at least one Neighborhood in this game.
  
• Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.
  
• Role assumptions are not advised.
  
• ALL PTs will be revealed post-game.

Votecounter

• Use the official [ vote ] and [ unvote ] tags. For example, If you wanted to vote for Thesp, you would type VOTE: Thesp.
  
• Avoid abbreviations. Spell out the player's name that you are voting for.
  
• Don't use the word "Vote" with a colon unless you are actually voting. Even better, use the VOTE: tag!
  
• Don't use the word "Unvote" in bold, unless you are actually unvoting.
  
• Don't vote for multiple different people in the same post.

Spoiler: Miscellaneous

The only results a Cop would get are "Innocent," "Guilty," and "No Result."

A Gunsmith would receive a result of 'This player owns a gun,' 'This player does not own a gun,' or 'No Result.'

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

Should an X-Shot ability be used, and that player is roleblocked, he or she will have used up that shot.

Roleblockers cannot be roleblocked.

'1-Shot Bulletproof' status will only protect against one NK attempt during a Night. If two are attempted that same Night on that '1-Shot Bulletproof' player, he or she will die.

There may or may not be a Neighborhood(s).

"Informed" Modifier - This role gives the player information about the setup (pregame, or with timing determined by a role modifier), and is considered Normal on mafiascum.net provided the information given is objective and accurate. The information can be any information about the setup, but should be non-random with regards to what player-slot is being referred to. For example, if someone is to be told that a player is town, it should be noted in the setup specification that the player they are told is town is a randomly chosen vanilla townie, or a specific power role, and not just a randomly chosen town player.

Informed roles should flip with only their role name, and not any private information; an Informed role is effectively an investigative role whose investigation happens passively and automatically, with the actual information being the "investigation result". An Informed Townie should therefore flip simply as "Informed Townie" (with a redacted role PM, if role PMs are included in flips). Similarly, a Rolecop would only see "Informed", and would not get to see the information itself.

If a Commuter is commuting, it is untargettable that night by any means, not even Strongman, Roleblocker or Ninja. Any role that attempts to target a commuting Commuter should be treated as though they are blocked (e.g. receive a "No Result" pm if they are investigative).

All night actions targeting players with Ascetic (excluding NKs) will fail. All information-gathering actions targeting them will return with 'No Result.'

If a 'Jack-of-All-Trades' dies and flips, its 1-Shot abilities will be listed.

A Rolestopper can prevent its target from being affected by anything, whether Night Ability or Night Kill.

'Vanilla Cop,' if used, will return a result of 'Vanilla,' 'Not Vanilla,' or 'No Result.' Targets that yield a result of 'Vanilla' are Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and a Serial Killer with no abilities or modifiers.

"Can the last mafia member, if a PR, kill AND use their role, or must they pick one?" No, the last Mafia member must pick one. He or she cannot use a power role and simultaneously perform a Night Kill.[/b]

Natural Action Resolution

Commute - {Commuter}
Blocking - {Roleblocker > Rolestopper}
Jailkeep - {Jailkeeper}
Protection - {Doctor > Bodyguard}
Miscellaneous - {Neighborizer > Friendly Neighbor}
Kill - {Mafia factional kill = SK factional kill = Vigilante}
Role Investigation - {Cop > Gunsmith > Role Cop > Neapolitan > Vanilla Cop}
Action Investigation - {Tracker > Watcher > Voyeur > Follower > Motion Detector}

The '>' represents internal priority between the roles.

The '=' means that internal priority between the roles is the same.

All Night Kills have the same priority/speed.

A Cop's result of 'Innocent' means that player is Town.

- Updated 8/3/2016

Sample Role PM:

Citizen

Welcome,

[Player Name]

. You are a

Citizen

.

Abilities:

-

Win condition:

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is still alive.

Please read these rules one more time.

Especially

Miscellaneous.

[/area]

[Wake1]

I deleted both of them.

[implosion]

Game is in signups.

[implosion]

Oh yeah, I like *always* forget this rule; you need a backup or co-mod for a large. I won't pull it from signups or anything but you should try to find one ideally before it fills.

[PenguinPower]

I'll back it up if Wake wants to maximize his potential participants.

[Wake1]

Oh yeah, I like *always* forget this rule; you need a backup or co-mod for a large. I won't pull it from signups or anything but you should try to find one ideally before it fills.

I'll back it up if Wake wants to maximize his potential participants.

Yes please.

[implosion]

A player (Something_Smart) pointed out that "roleblockers cannot be roleblocked" is technically not normal - this is a rule that's typically in newbie games to make them simpler but in NAR, if a roleblocker blocks another roleblocker and the first one isn't interfered with, they should successfully stop the other roleblocker from blocking.

[PenguinPower]

Wake88 specifically posted his version of action resolution which describes interactions and variants to NAR are allowed as long as they are explicitly stated.

[implosion]

Yes, you are in fact correct; I'll let him know

[Wake1]

As soon as I am off work thus morning I will add in these changes.

Also, someone PM'd me and said I couldn't include a Legend of Zelda theme to my game. I was planning to only add LoZ pictures to my vote Counts (and everything else is Normal).

Am I allowed to do this?

[implosion]

No, no need to change it if you don't want to - you can if you'd like to follow NAR exactly, but you don't *have* to.

Flavor as you describe it is I think *technically* not normal - see the section on flavor, where flavor not based on mafia shouldn't be based on source material. But I don't really have an issue with it if it's just adding pictures to VCs; if you were e.g. writing LoZ-based death scenes or stuff like that it'd probably be theme territory but also shrug. What you've described is fine by me.