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[PenguinPower]

I am hoping to join the NRG because imo the standard is townsided games atm

I would be interested in hearing what everyone thought of setup and modding

There is some discussion in dead thread, and there were certainly some oversights: for instanced I thought that 1shot vig would be strongly incentivised to stay quiet to maximise the odds of shooting scum later in the game — I didn’t consider the possibility of them outing D1 as likely, which in turn made the psychologist more powerful

I mean I’m not upset

I wonder how PP feels tho lmao

It's hard to get me upset about losing a game. I just like to have fun.

[PenguinPower]

I also love pagetops.

[popsofctown]

I get very upset after almost every game loss and set other players up for pagetops, we should make a depressed hydra PP

[PenguinPower]

I am hoping to join the NRG because imo the standard is townsided games atm

What are the reqs to get into the nRG? I actually want to join too, but my setups are all batty

like RB would definitely not want to join one of my pre-reviewed games

Application link is in implosion's signature

[Menalque]

I am hoping to join the NRG because imo the standard is townsided games atm

What are the reqs to get into the nRG? I actually want to join too, but my setups are all batty

like RB would definitely not want to join one of my pre-reviewed games

Err I can find them somewhere but prob tomorrow

[gobbledygook]

Menalque you me and pops should make a warring faction with the nrg

this one will be called the bnrg

[Menalque]

Or pingüino can ninja me, that works too

[Menalque]

Menalque you me and pops should make a warring faction with the nrg

this one will be called the bnrg

bnrg?

[PenguinPower]

Menalque you me and pops should make a warring faction with the nrg

this one will be called the bnrg

You would need someone with the power to make changes...someone listmod-like...someone...like me.

[gobbledygook]

balanced normal review group



ayoooooooooooo

[gobbledygook]

we could call ourselves bangers for short

[rb]

you could lymch by rng and just have town PRs carry this game 90% of the time

[popsofctown]

you could lymch by rng and just have town PRs carry this game 90% of the time

I speculated before rb posted this about whether if I typed this into a C program it comes out to like 60% or 65% town wins when town is just randing, I suspect it does.

[gobbledygook]

you could lymch by rng and just have town PRs carry this game 90% of the time

I mean it is entirely possible to go from 13 (10:3) to 9 (6v3) in one fell swoop this game. That's pretty dramatic. In all likelihood that turns into 5v2, but that is still pretty damn hard for town.

It just happened to fall the other way

pedit:

are you guys speculating with a day 1 mass claim you mean?

[rb]

no just lynch by rng and let the game play out with night actions

claim or not, town needs to be unbelievably dumb to lose this

[rb]

in fact even if town played umbelievably dumb they'd probably beat average level scum play. town would have to play terribly, and scum would have to play above average to see this be 50/50 winrate

[popsofctown]

rb I like you I wasn't just saying I do during game to pocket u

[rb]

anyway this exemplifies so much of why i should just quit playing mafia. the game is never going to be enjoyable for me and i will always be salty over the wasted hours spent playing a cooked setup

[popsofctown]

[rb]

rb I like you I wasn't just saying I do during game to pocket u

yes i know that

[rb]

this isnt the first time ive been a salty sailor over setups dw

it has very little to do with any one person in particular. ive been wasting my time and getting angry about wasting my time playing mafia for years

[BBmolla]

I just like mafia cause at least one thing is consistent in my life

[Looker]

Obligatory but frustrated "GG"

[profii]

That would really not be a good idea, trust me

You're crumbing TPR. Which one? Are you gated? What are the exact words in your role PM? What are you intentions for tonight? Come on.. spell it all out. Spare no details.

Guys, if skitter won't full claim her role AND her target(s) before hand she's Scum. (Does it feel like you're looking in a mirror already?)

Here's a thought

I am the vig
Skitter asked a bunch of questions and didn't believe it

Then Skitter made that post

Next PP claimed BG
Skitter didn't believe that (or ask too many questions)

I can see a protective and vig being in the setup together but skitter cant see protective, vig and her role together

Either she has some curve ball role or I just dont know


But as said - still alive in a couple of days? Problem, obviously

It was very very very very very very obvious skitter and PP were not both town

But most people on this site stick to "omg dont lynch claimed PRs" as some kind of religion

I was very close to shooting skitter but I didn't trust the town to follow up if I was wrong and lynch PP so I was actually going to shoot Frank (as he was the counter to Kerset)
But someone tried to sneak a replace out in night state which, tbh, was a give away

I suppose my mistake was that I didn't know how to handle skitter, having never played with her before and I interpreted her awful read on me as scum play but simultaneously believed her disdain towards the setup - that alone should have told me something wasnt correct in my assessment

I think town got a bit lucky with the way my claim and RB tied together which gave the MD loads of power too

It must be pretty tough to make a setup where its bulletproof against an unlikely set of events that cause some one massive advantage so my sympathies

[Farkran]

Hi, i tried to spectate this because i was interested in the players list

Unfortunately this was in the middle of TM so i had little time to dedicate to actual gamesolving and speculation after d2 start. Still, i liked to see some proper fakeclaims for a change, so good job PP.

Setup was definitely townsided though, i'm too green to have any word in reviewing but i'd fully support making the games more averagely balanced towards scum. That said, i don't fancy mountainous-like setups so i'm slightly more in favor of stronger scum rather than weaker town in terms of power roles, but that's just me.

For instance, i would like to see more counters to town investigation such as Framers/Janitors among the scum ranks. Janitor in particular can lead to more fakeclaiming fun, moving the discussion from setup spec to scumhunt when a nk flips hidden. Framer could be fun too but it's probably more useful in non-normal games, unless it is specifically ruled to work in an environment such as this game (i.e. Framer would plant all of these: A. scum evidence to cop, B. gun evidence to gunsmith, C. kill capability to psychologist). I'm only suggesting these two because i used to play with those back in my era and i remember rolecop/janitor scum teams being super fun to work with and against, but there could be more interesting roles i'm not aware of that could help rebalancing. I am also a fan of scum roleblockers, they could use some more spotlight too imo.

Also, instead of masons, in games like this and the Normal i played a couple months ago, perhaps informed hidden ICs would work better - think of them as masons without the ability to chat privately - Player X would know that Player Y is town, Player Y would know that Player X is town, but they cannot communicate. The purpose of this change would be taking away the focus from private chats in favor of the main thread, promoting day activity, handshake gambits which would mean more fakeclaims, etc. To me, mafia is fun because unexpected things happen, as long as they aren't bastardly interfering with mechsolving.