The One That I Cannot Kill [it's FINALLY done]

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't see the purpose in trying to force you to take initiative when you've expressed that you aren't sure enough that I'm town to vote Who right now.

[Who]

RC does seem to be reacting to me accusing him taking control of being scum-indicative by relinquishing control.

[northsidegal]

I think that if we set ourselves a deadline it would aid scumhunting.

Here's our deadline:

(expired on 2020-02-15 00:24:59)

[RadiantCowbells]

is scumhunting aided?

i really have no initiative here, NSG.

[RadiantCowbells]

is scumhunting aided?

i really have no initiative here, NSG.

[northsidegal]

i'm thinking stuff through and typing a longer than average marathon post

[northsidegal]

it's more lines of reasoning based on lynchpin stuff though so

[northsidegal]

i think i made a mistake this game in talking about that stuff too early but it was probably necessary to get the game moving at the time and right now i consider it a very low probability possibility that it actually negatively affected me this game

[RadiantCowbells]

i really don't understand what you have been thinking about this game.

[northsidegal]

Who, if you think RC is scum, do you think it's more likely that he has to lynch you, or me?

[RadiantCowbells]

like i just truly

do not understand why you're so bogged down on this

when i think there's so many easier ways to read people in this game

[northsidegal]

i really don't understand what you have been thinking about this game.

probably overthinking the setup, but can you blame me in a game with two hard to read players like you two

cfj i think makes setups that are probably above my pay grade when it comes to breaking, but i'm trying to be clever nonetheless

[northsidegal]

when i think there's so many easier ways to read people in this game

such as?

[RadiantCowbells]

i mean

i just think it's really obvious that i'm townier than who this game. i'm not sure how this line of reasoning helps you see that if you haven't. but i guess i don't have a 1-1 understanding.

[northsidegal]

sure, i think on an objective level you've been townier this game. i think you being townier doesn't mean that you're necessarily town (and yes i would say that about anyone not just RC, it's more about Who then it is about you)

i guess i would say that what i'm doing is something like a precaution? i feel like i only stand to gain information from what i'm thinking

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

what questions am i supposed to answer

[Who]

Who, if you think RC is scum, do you think it's more likely that he has to lynch you, or me?

I think that it's more likely that he's unable to hammer me. But I think that this difference in probability is not great enough for it to be significant.

[northsidegal]

I think Who should vote me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who, if you think RC is scum, do you think it's more likely that he has to lynch you, or me?

I think that it's more likely that he's unable to hammer me. But I think that this difference in probability is not great enough for it to be significant.

based on what evidence do you say this

[northsidegal]

Who, if you don't vote me, I am going to vote you.

[Who]

Who, if you don't vote me, I am going to vote you.

If I vote you and RC is scum RC quickhammers and we lose? I'm confused as to why you want me to vote you.

[northsidegal]

If I believe that RC is town, then I risk nothing by Who voting me. Even if I believe RC is scum, I believe RC's lynchpin would be me, and thus I risk nothing by Who voting me.

If Who is town who refuses to vote me then I will vote him, and this loses town the game. Thus, Who is being held hostage and forced to vote me if he is town. If Who is scum who refuses to vote me, I'm his lynchpin, I'll vote him, and town wins the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

you realize he's allowed to vote you right, just not hammer

[northsidegal]

Let me know if you follow this line of reasoning.

The deduction that I can have (and should have) the most confidence in this game is that, if RC is scum, his lynchpin is me.

I should be making a decision based on my most confident deduction. Typically, this would take the form of "X is scum" (probably followed by a vote), but in this case it's what I've just said. With that in mind, I should make my decision based on the idea that, if RC is scum, his lynchpin is me.

I ask Who to vote me.

If who is scum and his lynchpin is me, he'll refuse. If it's RC, he'll accept, and I won't get quickhammered.
If who is town, he accepts, and, if I am correct, I don't get quickhammered, because scum RC's lynchpin would be me.

We are then in the world of either Who is scum and his lynchpin is RC, or RC is scum and his lynchpin is me. (or, Who refused outright, in which case his lynchpin is me, in which case I probably just vote him)

This isn't a solved game, but I would consider it closer to one, and I would consider it a better move than directly voting someone myself.

[northsidegal]

you realize he's allowed to vote you right, just not hammer

urgh sthis game is sooooo stupid im just gonna vote who im tired othis