Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Trojan Horses]

you called me the WOAT repeatedly in a non playful manner

i dont think its healthy to play with people who think you are the woat

You misrepped and mischacterized my posting, deathtunneled and tried to drive a mislynch on town!us. Do you even know what that even means? It’s 100% a game-related term and if anyone were to call me that, I honestly wouldn’t care, so long as it had a logical basis. Like I freely admit to being a woat in tm, where you played extremely well in that. So, to clarify, I meant you were woat ONLY in THIS game, because obviously the exact opposite was true for TM. Like I said, it was reversed in that. In that game, I was the woat.

[Trojan Horses]

you called me the WOAT repeatedly in a non playful manner

i dont think its healthy to play with people who think you are the woat

You misrepped and mischacterized my posting, deathtunneled and tried to drive a mislynch on town!us. Do you even know what that even means? It’s 100% a game-related term and if anyone were to call me that, I honestly wouldn’t care, so long as it had a logical basis. Like I freely admit to being a woat in tm, where you played extremely well in that. So, to clarify, I meant you were woat ONLY in THIS game, because obviously the exact opposite was true for TM. Like I said, it was reversed in that. In that game, I was the woat.

Well except for my Eddie townlock, that was one of the reads I got right.

[Trojan Horses]

Gobble I was thinking of trying to design Avalon-y setups where town has information on scum they can't reveal

I'll ping you on Discord

Also, shoutout to Vecna for being MY Mason bro this game

I still don’t understand how he was ever in anyone’s PoE, he was so blatantly obviously town.

[Trojan Horses]

MS needs more jester games

Noted

+1.

I really enjoyed this setup: two micros in a large and I would totally sign up for that again, if you ever decide to remake this game.

[Trojan Horses]

@molla, you played really well, you even fooled nsg.

[Eve]

i had farside and nero cain cleared

[Firebringer]

It’s 100% a game-related term and if anyone were to call me that, I honestly wouldn’t care, so long as it had a logical basis.

You god damn hypocite

[Firebringer]

Hypocrite

[Eve]

fire sneakers i've been wondering this - if most people on the site are the worst of all time doesn't that make woats average or above average players since they make up most of the site?

i'd like to be called a woat please

[Firebringer]

Am I fire sneakers?

[Eve]

no it's one of the trojan horses

you're fire doggo

[Alyssa The Lamb]

i'd like to be called a woat please

[Bitmap]

i'd like to be called a boat please

[northsidegal]

Come on down to Nero's slot salvage and let me turn a slightly scummy slot into obvtown

(slot is obvtown to everyone but NSG and Auro)

i townread you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It’s 100% a game-related term and if anyone were to call me that, I honestly wouldn’t care, so long as it had a logical basis.

You god damn hypocite

I think that’s way too many letters, also your spelling needs work.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hypocrite

???

Come again? I need at least 20 more posts for my “10 yr old brain” to grok this.

[Firebringer]

Hypocrite

???

Come again? I need at least 20 more posts for my “10 yr old brain” to grok this.

u obviously do care, I called u bad several times and then u cried about it post game and during the game.

as if everyone was bullying u. U dished it out just as much. But then turn around and say "it was all just in the game, I don't care if someone does it to me". Like seriously?

[gobbledygook]

Hypocrite

???

Come again? I need at least 20 more posts for my “10 yr old brain” to grok this.

Omg
Nancy got game

[Nancy Drew 39]

fire sneakers i've been wondering this - if most people on the site are the worst of all time doesn't that make woats average or above average players since they make up most of the site?

i'd like to be called a woat please

Are they? I’m basing it per game. I generally only call someone that when they dearhtunnel and scumlock me as town, because both Oka and Fire kept insisting that we were lockscum, despite all of the glaring evidence to the contrary.

I could of course do that if you want but I really can’t blame you for sr our slot, since we were hardpushing you and you’ve only played one game with me, so I don’t think that makes you a woat here.

[Firebringer]

i'd like to be called a boat please

ur my boat

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hypocrite

???

Come again? I need at least 20 more posts for my “10 yr old brain” to grok this.

u obviously do care, I called u bad several times and then u cried about it post game and during the game.

as if everyone was bullying u. U dished it out just as much. But then turn around and say "it was all just in the game, I don't care if someone does it to me". Like seriously?

My bad, I should have used reverse psychology here. What part of that’s too many letters went over your head?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hypocrite

???

Come again? I need at least 20 more posts for my “10 yr old brain” to grok this.

Omg
Nancy got game

<3

[Nancy Drew 39]

i'd like to be called a boat please

Any kind in particular?

You know, like canoe, sailboat, cruise liner, etc?

[Bitmap]

i'd like to be called a boat please

Any kind in particular?

You know, like canoe, sailboat, cruise liner, etc?

battleship

[mastina]

Mastina was really obv town especially after the RC-mastina flare up. I would still endorse a vig shot on her slot tho.

I mean, yes.
Contrary to what SirCakez was insisting: no, I do not AtE regardless of alignment--I don't AtE as scum at all because I can't get mad at people for having right reads on me; it's literally impossible.

I can be mad at people calling me scum for things that are due to real-life rather than any game reasons,

can

, in theory, but even there, it's been...honestly I think at least two or three years since I have gotten mad at someone for scumreading me for those reasons as scum, and nowadays because activity actually

can

be an alignment indicator because I am far, far less active as scum I don't think I can even be mad at

those

accusations because while they used to not be true at all, now they actually kinda are so I'd recognize that and be unable to get riled up about it because I'd know it was right.

But I digress--my point was that, no, contrary to what was said: I've never lost my temper like this as scum, never. Not once.
This game was far, far, far from the first where I've lost it as town. Alisae vs Pine, RC's Undertale, Tatsuya Kaname's Anime UPick King-Sized, Ank's Restless Spirits, and probably more, all contain similar examples.

And when it happens--sure, I would endorse a vig on my slot, too. Not a lynch, I'll fight to the death tooth and nail every step of the way against a lynch, but a vig, not gonna deny that's deserved.

The problem with mastina was that she was being negative utility as town due to the RC-mastina fight.

I mean I did say at the beginning that I didn't want to push RC for specifically that reason; I wanted to leave him alone. But when people kept pushing me, my response is to push my reads, ALL of my reads, because with the chance that I'd be lynched I need to get my voice, my reasons, my reads, out there for all to see and also doing so is my best weapon to dissuade people from following through on the lynch.

If I keep pushing my reads, there's a chance that people see my logic, my reasons, and understand that they're coming from town. And if it fails, if I do end up lynched, then my reads are out there for all to see.

She almost always is negative utility to town as of late
I don't think ive seen her be positive utility for town in at least 6 games.

This is the first game in 2020 where I haven't been incredibly positive utility. To wit, I played a crucial role in the TM 2020 town win; I had incredibly accurate reads in Krazy's Anime UPick while I was alive; I basically singlehandedly led the D1 lynch of scum in the recent MBoS game. Now admittedly, small sample size of three as those are the only completed towngames beyond this one this year, but overall in 2020 I am quite happy with my contributions to the towns thankyouverymuch.

This game is an obvious disappointment in that front, yes; I have regrets. It's a tarnish on the otherwise quite fine record I had built. The first failure of the year.

I doubt it'll be the last failure of the year, sure, but saying I've been nothing but one is quite objectively false.

She almost always is negative utility to town as of late

Disagree. She had very good solves. I don't think her fights were wholly her "fault" but no further comments on this

Eh. My solves were acceptable this game, but not in any way remotely good. I named many town players, correctly, as town, when those townreads were contentious.
TH, SirCakez, Baezu, Vecna, and We Are Not Helping were all good townreads; jjh, Turkey, and Elmo/Nero were all good townreads; Cephrir was a good scumread.
But while my read on Lie Ren wasn't exactly locktown, I don't think I can in good faith claim any credit for a good read on that slot and to the contrary would have to say it's a wrong read because while Lie Ren was never a strong read, for the vast majority of the time Lie Ren was north of the nullline.
I didn't get either scum on my own side of the game, erroneously townreading both Molla and the NM slot--while I had the NM read degrade later, it never moved south of null and was at null if you're being generous to me by the time of my replace-out so I missed there.
I didn't have good reads on nsg, Wonderwall, or farside; I didn't have good reads on the Titus slot (by the time it was Titus, I was out of the game, mind you; I did townread Titus once I saw her but by then I was out of the game so that doesn't count), and obviously on RC.

As far as read accuracy goes, I think that comes out to be not worse than random, but it's definitely not better than random by any margin that would denote being 'good'. I think my reads were

acceptable

, and I did have a

fairly

good townbloc. But my reads weren't good.

And yes, I am also of the opinion that the fights were not entirely my fault, but I fully admit I'm not exactly blameless either. Sure, not entirely my fault...but still

mostly

my fault. Mostly my fault is still fault enough on my end for it to have been a failure.

To put it another way. I said this and I hold by it:

they wouldn't be paragons if they were rattled, if they were shaken, by an incorrect scumread on their slot. They wouldn't be paragons if someone incorrectly scumreading them threw them off their beat, threw them off their kilter, kept them from putting in a paragon-level performance.

I always strive to try and put on a Paragon-level performance. I am obviously not a paragon, yes, but I always strive to try and be as good as one. (Who wouldn't?) I try, and yet by my own metric I had the largest of large failures;
Incorrect scumreads on my slot rattled me and that is a failure on my part.

I wish that they had resolved whatever their issues were from TM, before this game. Wtf happened in TM anyway to cause this massive blow out?

Beats me.
I have zero issues with RC from TM; any issues in an RC-me dynamic from TM thus originate from him because there's literally zero from me.
I have never held issue with RC and I had no issues with RC this game.

I incorrectly scumread his slot--that's literally it. He was a scumread. The invented narrative of there being some sort of carrythrough on my part was from RC and simply put? It doesn't exist on my end. Maybe it exists on his end, maybe he has a beef with me, but hey. Like I said. I don't have any clue because it's literally not anything on my end. I hold zero emotions towards RC negative or positive. He's just another player to me, no different than any other. Well, different in that I hold respect for his talents, in that he is better than 95+% of the site regardless of his alignment, but I don't treat him any different than any other player.