Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Alyssa The Lamb]

If you read the mod topic it will explain why I decided to make the Games public. I did not want the game to turn into scum putting themselves into traps to get tons of buffs, I wanted the traps to get used on town.

I mean, true

but that's also the problem; there's not a whole lot of benefit to putting scum in traps outside of WIFOM value, so there isn't a whole lot of point in spreading traps out over different players

[BBmolla]

I enjoyed my role

I didn’t enjoy scum getting like 2-3 night kills each night

This game felt like the mountainous problem, once I saw all the town flips in a single night I kind of gave up

[Alyssa The Lamb]

yeah I was actually really upset on the last day I was here because despite killing the IC and the cop on night one (and killing the vig N2 AND having the vig misshoot) AND A QUICKLYNCH ON DAY TWO, we were really close to being PoEd out mechanically after having two of our three traps disabled, and they were some of our better ones

[BBmolla]

Like I played like ass but I don’t even regret it

Like I said, I had a great time day 1, the was miserable

[SirCakez]

I think one change for sure I would make is splitting the traps into two categories - Killing (where a kill is guaranteed) and Mechanical (where you can probably escape but there's some sort of punishment) and scum can use one of each per night.
Then the kills wouldn't have swamped town so fast.
I would scrap the Cyanide Box trap also - that left too much KP up to chance.

[GuiltyLion]

honestly I think even if BM had just let himself die in the second trap the game was still salvageable at that point

BM conf town, pisskop/davesaz under suspicion, scum don't have the factional NK

Eddie did a great job talking me off Firebringer on D3, that was really well played there. And pisskop snowed me in the game and played it really smart

shoulda stayed on Dave and not let myself get distracted so much with danyboy, or his claim :/. Dude was obvscum on D1 and I had him the entire game

Thanks for modding SirCakez, the set up was awesome, I enjoyed it

[SirCakez]

Molla you were fine don't worry.

[Hectic]

Thank you for modding, SirCakez! The flavour and mechanics were truly remarkable.

[pisskop]

I think one change for sure I would make is splitting the traps into two categories - Killing (where a kill is guaranteed) and Mechanical (where you can probably escape but there's some sort of punishment) and scum can use one of each per night.
Then the kills wouldn't have swamped town so fast.
I would scrap the Cyanide Box trap also - that left too much KP up to chance.

Every good game needs a test run.

This test run showed us a lot of things.

[Albert B. Rampage]

BM dying N1 vs. EJ would have made it too easy for town considering all the power we had, so yeah the setup was extremely swingy. Scum used their powers very effectively.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I think one change for sure I would make is splitting the traps into two categories - Killing (where a kill is guaranteed) and Mechanical (where you can probably escape but there's some sort of punishment) and scum can use one of each per night.
Then the kills wouldn't have swamped town so fast.
I would scrap the Cyanide Box trap also - that left too much KP up to chance.

this is probably fair

tbh this setup would probably work a lot better in general if the swing on both sides was cut down

having more utility based around having people communicate at night and/or indirect informative abilities would make the game a lot more interesting

[Blake Belladonna]

Now that the game is over, would you like to discuss what you saw that was town about me early on, Pine?

It was clearly wrong in this case, so I'm curious what exactly your process was that made you reach that conclusion.

[Battle Mage]

ah definitely my fault - sorry town, and especially MT! You were much better at reading this than I was...

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie did a great job talking me off Firebringer on D3, that was really well played there. And pisskop snowed me in the game and played it really smart

GL, MT, and ABR, and slightly Vecna were the players that I was afraid of, so I tried to tailor my catchup to pocket them. Bingle had most of the solve (sans me), but he was not worrysome because I felt pretty strongly I could case and mislynch him if needed. All 4 of you had fairly good reads, and BM did to his credit also push Piss at EoD. All of the other roles were 2/3 shot so I assumed Bingle was either out of shots or only had 1 left.

Fun game! Sorry for the town who were frustrated, but this was a very entertaining game from a scum PoV.

10/10 setup design and 9.5/10 modding, thanks SirCakez, well done

! Setup design refers to flavor, traps, etc, balance and swinginess might be a little off but I don't super think so. This was a high power town, and town did not use their PRs (vig/cops/etc) or lynches (other than day 1) on scum, so I don't think the KP is crazy high. I'd argue slightly scumsided overall, nothing crazy. Swinginess is pretty normal in a large game with a lot of roles.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'm really sad we didn't get to scum together eddie

[pisskop]

Yea when you read the Scumchat a lot of players really caught our eye.

[pisskop]

One thing that was hard was the loss of a direct nightkill.

I was a little easier when I could powermurder a few players, but I was afraid to use my immunity because of how the players would react.

[GuiltyLion]

I definitely gave GeorgeBailey wayyy too much slack for his early posting, that's a new level I've seen from him as scum

[Eddie Cane]

I'm really sad we didn't get to scum together eddie

me too

If you had held out another day or two... but at least i got fire who's also cool

[farside22]

thanks for modding cakez,

really interesting setup.
i have to agree that this setup is scumsided.

i love the trap ideas u put in it though.

Agreed. I may not have said it but i loved the traps and idea behind it. Day 1 i know the trap i was in was killing at least one player. Saving the cop just to see him die really killed my hope for town.

I definitely wanted more different people to get put in the Games. It was a difficult design choice because I couldn't just say someone can't get put in a game twice, because then scum lose way too much control over killing power.

No i wouldn't happen the scum that way either.

Up until day 4 scum were worried about getting decimated themselves. Like I said in my earlier post, all it would have taken was farside's shot to hit pisskop or a guilty and the game would have blown open for town. Unforgiving yes, but both ways.

Im still kicking myself too.

[Elsa Jay]

Man scum killed a shit ton of people. What was even those other traps? GG scum though.

[gobbledygook]

Pisskop is literally always scum wut

[Drixx]

So apologies to town for checking out. When I came back from my V/LA during night two and saw what happened and then BM started gaslighting the game, I just wasn't into that. While I was away, this site seems to have been infected by a disease of memes and shitposting, and it's definitely not an improvement.

[Bingle]

Up until day 4 scum were worried about getting decimated themselves. Like I said in my earlier post, all it would have taken was farside's shot to hit pisskop or a guilty and the game would have blown open for town. Unforgiving yes, but both ways.

Personally I dislike setups with this much swing, but the setup was fair to both sides.

WP by scum, you definitely deserved the win.

[Bingle]

I also know some people were frustrated with their roles. I struggled with that because town already had a LOT of power as was. Some people had to get the less-useful Mailman/Reporter/Vanilla neighbor roles.
Also apparently Neighbor is not considered a Power Role in Role Madness? I had no idea. That's why I stepped in when I did.

You shouldn't have, tbh. Neighbor is by definition a power role, and Role Madness doesn't even mean 0 VTs. Role Madness means few if any VTs.

As a mod you should never help out when people make dumb assumptions. If they want to ask you if there are VTs in the setup you can answer. If they want to ask you if neighbors are VTs then you can answer. You should never answer the questions publicly without being prompted to by a public questions directed at you.