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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:57 am
by gobbledygook
Why didn’t scum Voteur Nahdia and the killer and Hoctac?

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:57 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Tbh, i didn't think my gambit would work. Thought i'd get killed anyway. But luckily scum got fooled.
Albert played really well in that situation where he fake claimed cop but town had an ace in their hole as well. Really fun game.

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:58 am
by Nahdia
well we did voyeur me and saw i was investigated... but i figured either someone was soft pushing a guilty or maybe midway was a follower who had seen i had in fact only investigated hoctac, hence why they were chainsawing me?

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:24 am
by popopopopopopo
In post 2143, schadd_ wrote:
Spoiler: @ popopopopopopo
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:27 am
by votato
also, sorry to the other PRs for aliening madonna night 2. i went out of my way to try and target someone i thought was scummy but not scummy enough to be vigged.

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:29 am
by Nahdia
yeah if that hadnt happened this game woulda been over a good bit sooner, lmao.

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:31 am
by schadd_
In post 2178, popopopopopopo wrote:
In post 2143, schadd_ wrote:
Spoiler: @ popopopopopopo
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good

i have 0 scrobbles of it bc i can only find it on like. vimeo. lol. i watched it once. it was fine

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:36 am
by schadd_
ded thred viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83111
mod thread viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83062
mafia thread awaiting one ok to release

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:37 am
by popopopopopopo
In post 2181, schadd_ wrote:
In post 2178, popopopopopopo wrote:
In post 2143, schadd_ wrote:
Spoiler: @ popopopopopopo
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i have 0 scrobbles of it bc i can only find it on like. vimeo. lol. i watched it once. it was fine
its all on streaming now, that vimeo vid is incredible

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:08 am
by word321
wow
the dead chat was fun to read

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:10 am
by word321
you absolute buffoon, you ignoramus, you chucklefuck. no offense, you joke of a man. you goober. i bite my thumb at you, in the most polite of ways, you blithering meshuggener. i mean no ill-will, but gosh, you are slime. you are mold festering on my drywall, my good sir. dirt is more worthy of my attention, you good, perfectly reasonable absolute nitwit.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:16 pm
by midwaybear
GG all
Nice job norwee

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:17 pm
by NDMath
This was fun.

Strong Town PR is still stressful for me

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:50 pm
by schadd_
got the feeling this was a bit townsided

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:33 am
by mastina
In post 2188, schadd_ wrote:got the feeling this was a bit townsided
Eh, I think in execution it was townsided only due to the choice in night actions combined with choice in dayplay; the scum made many, many mistakes in their choice of night actions and the town made almost none (even the Madonna alien N2 almost wasn't one, because Madonna was almost selected to be the N2 killer which would've meant that if Madonna did make the kill, the scum's N2 kill would've failed).

Ascetic Even-Night Alien is a role that can be strong for the town, but there's multiple downsides. It cannot be saved by the rolestopper, so can be nightkilled; its action roleblocks the target, so can stop the vig from shooting and keeps the rolestopper from protecting; its action rolestops the target, so can save the vig target. Plus, with it only being even-night, it cannot be relied upon to consistently give the town an edge every single night.

Town Vig is a good role that becomes conftown when there's two kills in a single night and with no gates can give the town effectively a second lynch, but has anti-synergy with both the rolestopper and the alien (per the above), in that they have a high chance of negating each other.

The town rolestopper can interfere with the alien if the alien is using their action as a roleblock, and can interfere with the vig, and can interfere with the tracker by causing the tracker to get No Result.

The town's one and only investigative in this game is a gated tracker. This gives the town almost no information off of night actions. The tracker, gated to odd-nights, has a very very very small chance of actually getting a guilty, and no way to get an innocent until three scum are dead. Plus, a chance to get a result that strongly and wrongly implies a false innocent. (If the town tracker tracked a mafia voyeur doing a voyeur action, and said mafiate claimed a PR that made sense to make that action, then the scum player would be borderline-unlynchable from the tracker vouching for their claim by confirming they used the action they claimed to have used.)

Basically, the town here might've had some strong roles, but they were only strong if properly utilized, and the scum having the voyeurs gave them the ability to get an indicator on the town's roles, four indicators per night, plus their nightkill.

In terms of dayplay, this game might not have gone as well as it could have for the town, but it went almost as well as it could have; most scum were heavily suspected from fairly early on. (And it should be noted: both times the town mislynched a PR, it was at a HEAVY cost to the scum. On D1, scum put everything in to make that lynch happen; they forced it HEAVILY and basically outright sacrificed Nahdia to achieve the mislynch. And on the rolestopper, that lynch happened because ABR fakeclaimed a guilty on it, which obviously cost him his life. Without the scum having sacked two members, the town doesn't lose those two PRs, and a PR dead for a scum dead is a trade that is town-favored 100% of the time. So with both town PR lynches being basically a one-for-one trade where scum lost their lives to achieve the mislynch, the town did INCREDIBLY well in dayplay.)

In terms of nightplay, this game might not have gone as well as it could have for the town, but it went ALMOST as well as it could have; the town got INCREDIBLE mileage out of their arguably-weakest role (the tracker), and the scum made multiple missteps with their usage of their roles (creating a false guilty on a scummate, for instance, with the tracker tracking a scum player who DIDN'T kill the nightkill, to the nightkill).

This was basically an almost picture-perfect storm of everything going right for the town that could have gone right.

With those things not having gone right, the scum probably actually win here. It went to 3p lylo
in spite of all the mistakes the scum made
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If the town had less-optimal night actions, and the scum hadn't made the misplays they did, then scum probably are much better off here.

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:48 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 2189, mastina wrote:The tracker, gated to odd-nights, has a very very very small chance of actually getting a guilty, and no way to get an innocent until three scum are dead.
I was a full tracker though.

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:00 am
by Nahdia
so good you even fooled the reviewer, LOL.

yeah im gonna disagree mastina. i hate to sound like sour grapes and town defo earned this win via dayplay, but I don't think it's fair to say scum made lots of mistakes and town made none with their night actions! We lynched two PRs in the first three days. The vig only hit scum when they were confirmed (tbf they shot Madonna, but another town prevented that from resolving).

i also just think the multitasking voyeurs were... kind of a trap? with a full tracker present, i would actually argue the better move for scum would be to not use their night actions at all!

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:13 am
by Nahdia
tho i guess arguably the night kills were iffy. but like, with three protective roles present including the UB, at least they never got actually blocked?

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:35 am
by NorwegianboyEE
I can’t remove this from my bookmarks until i’ve read the scum chat.

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:29 pm
by stan1ey
That was a rlly fun game thanks everyone

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:32 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
Sorry for voting you Stan1ey. Should have kept voting Albert.

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:07 am
by schadd_

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:54 am
by NorwegianboyEE
So many redactions.

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:55 am
by Nahdia
ablert cant give away all his secrets i guess

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:05 am
by NorwegianboyEE
I think it's sad, but whatever. I won't argue about it.