Grand Idea GPick [Game Over]

[Iconeum]

My time was about figuring out who was scum. Not just oh you have a role that could be scum.

how about you go over the PoE yourself and tell me what you learn?

list up every single claim still alive, and start PoE'ing it

why hasn't the game ended yet?

[Iconeum]

from the top of my head something like

i'm conftown based on claim
Morning is close to conftown based on claim
CL is probably a shield, which can only be town? this is lower because he could be lying, while Morning's role was pretty much proven

that leaves TSE slot and you

[Iconeum]

I don't see it that simple. I see 2 players that were a hell of a lot scummier and if I'm right you gave them the win.

wait you honestly believe there's 2

alligned

scum left, who don't have or are not using a NK?

[Iconeum]

17 player game, with 7!! already flipped scum and farside you are promoting the thought there are 2 more non-town roles?

that makes this 8 town vs 9 non-town (granted in 4 different teams)

lol?

[Iconeum]

2 mafia flips
2 werewolf flips
2 alien flips
1 third party flip

and game not over, so at least 1 more non-town role

balance wise it's probably just a survivor/third party type of role

[Iconeum]

but having 2 more *alligned* non-town players?

really?

[TemporalLich]

VC 8.5

farside22 (3) - Chateau Lobby, Iconeum, Morning Tweet

[ELIMINATED!]

Hayasaka (1) - farside22 [E-2]

Not voting: Hayasaka

With 5 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.

Day 8 will end in (expired on 2020-07-20 18:30:00) or when an elimination is reached.

[TemporalLich]

Night 8 Flavor

The yellow sun sets below the horizon after one of the defenders has went to the other realm. The night still seems it might happen, so it does. With the four denizens still feeling something could be up, hope is still not rekindled.

farside22 has been eliminated! She was a

Town Effort Saver

turned

Vanilla Townie

Spoiler: farside22 (old)

Grand Idea GPick

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Welcome, farside22! You are a

Town Effort Saver

, aligned with the

Town

.

Abilities:
• Roles that end the game when they win may not win until Day 2 or later. They are deathproof (can't die for any reason) until Day 2 to compensate.

Win Condition:

•

You win when all the threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm this Role PM by replying with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: farside22 (new)

Grand Idea GPick

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Welcome, farside22! You are now a

Vanilla Townie

, aligned with the

Town

.

Abilities:
• You have no special abilities.

Win Condition:

•

You win when all the threats to the

Town

are eliminated, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm this Role PM by replying with your role and alignment.

Night 8 has begun! Please send in your night actions within (expired on 2020-07-18 10:40:00). Make sure to send night actions to both me and chkflip.

[TemporalLich]

Day 9 Flavor

Another peaceful night leads to the sun rising with a teal color, lighting up everything in a weird color. Grass is blue, flowers have been seen to be lit up green, and the sky is somehow a deep purple.

No one has died last night...

Day 9 has begun!

VC 9.0

Not voting: Morning Tweet, Hayasaka, Iconeum, Chateau Lobby

With 4 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.

Day 9 will end in (expired on 2020-07-28 12:40:00) or when an elimination is reached.

[Morning Tweet]

sorry abt that farside

[Morning Tweet]

Why do I have red cards and a village role pm?
What are cards I don't understand.

[Eerily similar to Looker's entrance]

What evidence points against Farside and Chateau right now?
Hard for me to approach this game if you guys solve from POE without stating reasons, but I am more here to watch then actively let town win anyway tbh.

[ehhh i wish you could help me sort Chateau but at this point i dont think that'd help much]

[You can still be scum, but you really feel like you hate this game and are having no fun. It's hard to believe you're faking it.]

Does that make someone town?

I find that the opposite of that is usually true. Lot's of mafia players tend to really enjoy being town but don't have fun playing scum. While effort and post quality can still hold up through experience a tell for many people is that they just don't have fun while being scum and can't fake enjoyment and excitment.

Do you have a reason to believe the opposite applies for Farside, that she is a player who prefers scum?

[blehhhhhh]

[Morning Tweet]

Weeell i'm at page 22 and here's where i got so far my reads are nearly baseless and im tempted to say 50% of the game is scum which is highly unusual for me

[hahahaha]

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: TSE quotes

BM is posting elsewhere and not here. Just sayin'.

I don’t know how stupid you are.
But like, he has a massive post restriction.
He can only post twice per day.
He must post in a poem
And he has to use that certain sentence at the end of his posts.
Like you didn’t fuckin look that.
And don’t give me that shit that you didn’t look at his ISO.

VOTE: Titus

Titus is fuckin Open Wolfing.

Ircher will be spewed Town from a Titus scum flip, fuckin vote Titus.

C’mon guys

**Titus is making the classic shade move scum do**

Why are you all not voting obvious scum?

Titus is fuckin Open Wolfing.

Ircher will be spewed Town from a Titus scum flip, fuckin vote Titus.

Ircher is open wolfing.

Give me a post and prove it.

I feel like Titus and Farside are just scum who aren’t afraid to open wolf.
I’m sorry but I won’t allow wolves to win if they just outright open themselves up.

VOTE: Titus

How are people so blind sighted?
Titus was once the top wagon but Titus single handily eliminated the Town alignment players against them.
(With the help of Farside)

VOTE: Binge

Ok I was roleblocked, good to know.

I lied about rolling through alien reroll sympathizer. I was alien fishing. I initially thought I caught one with hellbooks. But then she claimed role cop.

Now I understand why hellbooks was herself looking for aliens: she knew they are in the game.

And this, I believe, is the alien: viewtopic.php?p=6318346#p6318346

VOTE: titus

:thorface:

Yeah....
Pretty sure Titus and Bingle are scum together.

VOTE: Titus

[how am i supposed to believe this guy is an alien??]

[Based off of play, if anyone here is aligned with aliens, it's so fucking obviously Chateau]

[Morning Tweet]

[but if we're not searching for an alien, then yeah it can be TSE]

[BUT there are like, a ton of alien doctors though]

[what were we defending Chateau based off of yesterday again?]

[oh, i guess the fake hammer reaction was pretty good. Sigh.]

[Morning Tweet]

[I suppose it would be based to scumhunt objectively rather than with regards to one faction. But like even then I can recall TSE executing like every type of scum, whereas Chateau i think killed mafia, Manatee, and at least 2 town with lynches]

[Morning Tweet]

[Okay, if Chateau or Hayasaka has a nightkill that they're holstering, then

in theory

, I think Chateau would holster his kill until after we kill Hayasaka, then he wins. Cause like maybe we don't try very hard today thinking it's auto, we just exile Hayasaka as according to the order we set yesterday, and BAM he wins]

[Whereas if Hayasaka has a kill she'd probably have to kill Ico to force a 3p lylo where I would have to reevaluate and maybe pick Chateau]

[I'm still slightly more inclined to vote Chateau. I know that it is heavily likely we can just kill both, but just in case we can only kill one I kind of want him]

[Sorry for spamming the thread. will think more on this]

[Hayasaka]

Am I allowed to vote no lynch and suggest we don't do further discussion forcing mafia to make a kill?

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Chateau

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler:

So, would two people who are town like to claim to me so that I could confirm them?

Knowledgeable Townie

I voted BM as a Joke and if people made a case on them I’d push the people making the cases from my joke vote.
And Yes Hoctac can Confirm me Which confirms BM.
It’s called allowing Town to have confirmed Town.
Not wanting to do that is called “Anti-Town” don’t be like Drew.
BM just doesn’t have good reads LMAO.
I’ve played a game with him before and his reads were God Awful.

[This'd be a crazy play by scum TSE, would it not? And I finally found the post were TSE clarifies the BM RVS thing was intentional]

Spoiler:

Titus is fuckin Open Wolfing.

Ircher will be spewed Town from a Titus scum flip, fuckin vote Titus.

Ircher is open wolfing.

Give me a post and prove it.

Can you give me a refresher on the other 2 NKs, Were both already attributed to someone?

N2 was Hoctac who was probably a scumkill.

N3 was D Drew who was claimed as a vig kill by Porkens.

We know that there is a Mafia Role Dealer who is not in {Ico, Titus, MT, Starbuck, Farside}. BM cannot be scum unless TSE is scum.

Lynch pool should be {Porkens, TSE, Bingle, Looker, MD, CL}.

VOTE: Looker

Yeah....
Pretty sure Titus and Bingle are scum together.

VOTE: Titus

[If we're exclusively alien-hunting here, it makes so much more sense for Chateau to be an alien than TSE.]

[i like both Chateau and TSE's ISOs, but in terms of genuineness i prefer TSE's. He seriously beat me if he's scum here, he reminds me of his town play i've seen in the past]

[Morning Tweet]

Am I allowed to vote no lynch and suggest we don't do further discussion forcing mafia to make a kill?

[If scum has a kill and they're holstering it, and we force them to make it, they'd just kill Ico. no point]

[If we exile wrong today and they've been holstering their kill, that's game over. If we wait wait wait and force scum to kill Ico, we're just going to be in the same LYLO with Morning/Hayasaka/Chateau anyway, which would also be a game over on a misexile]

[Chateau Lobby]

Spoiler:

So, would two people who are town like to claim to me so that I could confirm them?

Knowledgeable Townie

I voted BM as a Joke and if people made a case on them I’d push the people making the cases from my joke vote.
And Yes Hoctac can Confirm me Which confirms BM.
It’s called allowing Town to have confirmed Town.
Not wanting to do that is called “Anti-Town” don’t be like Drew.
BM just doesn’t have good reads LMAO.
I’ve played a game with him before and his reads were God Awful.

[This'd be a crazy play by scum TSE, would it not? And I finally found the post were TSE clarifies the BM RVS thing was intentional]

Spoiler:

Titus is fuckin Open Wolfing.

Ircher will be spewed Town from a Titus scum flip, fuckin vote Titus.

Ircher is open wolfing.

Give me a post and prove it.

Can you give me a refresher on the other 2 NKs, Were both already attributed to someone?

N2 was Hoctac who was probably a scumkill.

N3 was D Drew who was claimed as a vig kill by Porkens.

We know that there is a Mafia Role Dealer who is not in {Ico, Titus, MT, Starbuck, Farside}. BM cannot be scum unless TSE is scum.

Lynch pool should be {Porkens, TSE, Bingle, Looker, MD, CL}.

VOTE: Looker

Yeah....
Pretty sure Titus and Bingle are scum together.

VOTE: Titus

[If we're exclusively alien-hunting here, it makes so much more sense for Chateau to be an alien than TSE.]

[i like both Chateau and TSE's ISOs, but in terms of genuineness i prefer TSE's. He seriously beat me if he's scum here, he reminds me of his town play i've seen in the past]

Do you have any open alts? I don't think I've played with you before, at least not MT.

"Pretty sure Titus and Bingle are scum together."
I interpret that line a distancing move made for a situation just like this.

Am I allowed to vote no lynch and suggest we don't do further discussion forcing mafia to make a kill?

Again, for 2 days now we have all been seemingly convinced that we are probably dealing with aliens as the remaining faction. Not to get hung up on semantics but just using the term mafia seems feel like a "playing dumb" move, no offense intended there. Just couldn't think of a better way the explain the vibe I get from that post

VOTE: Haya

I know haya and TSE are different people but this blatant "scum and bingle"!and "mafia" comments feel acted and forced. Not genuine imo.

Also I am getting irked that you are switching from Icon's plan we all agreed too yesterday.

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler:

So, would two people who are town like to claim to me so that I could confirm them?

Knowledgeable Townie

I voted BM as a Joke and if people made a case on them I’d push the people making the cases from my joke vote.
And Yes Hoctac can Confirm me Which confirms BM.
It’s called allowing Town to have confirmed Town.
Not wanting to do that is called “Anti-Town” don’t be like Drew.
BM just doesn’t have good reads LMAO.
I’ve played a game with him before and his reads were God Awful.

[This'd be a crazy play by scum TSE, would it not? And I finally found the post were TSE clarifies the BM RVS thing was intentional]

Spoiler:

Titus is fuckin Open Wolfing.

Ircher will be spewed Town from a Titus scum flip, fuckin vote Titus.

Ircher is open wolfing.

Give me a post and prove it.

Can you give me a refresher on the other 2 NKs, Were both already attributed to someone?

N2 was Hoctac who was probably a scumkill.

N3 was D Drew who was claimed as a vig kill by Porkens.

We know that there is a Mafia Role Dealer who is not in {Ico, Titus, MT, Starbuck, Farside}. BM cannot be scum unless TSE is scum.

Lynch pool should be {Porkens, TSE, Bingle, Looker, MD, CL}.

VOTE: Looker

Yeah....
Pretty sure Titus and Bingle are scum together.

VOTE: Titus

[If we're exclusively alien-hunting here, it makes so much more sense for Chateau to be an alien than TSE.]

[i like both Chateau and TSE's ISOs, but in terms of genuineness i prefer TSE's. He seriously beat me if he's scum here, he reminds me of his town play i've seen in the past]

Do you have any open alts? I don't think I've played with you before, at least not MT.

"Pretty sure Titus and Bingle are scum together."
I interpret that line a distancing move made for a situation just like this.

Am I allowed to vote no lynch and suggest we don't do further discussion forcing mafia to make a kill?

Again, for 2 days now we have all been seemingly convinced that we are probably dealing with aliens as the remaining faction. Not to get hung up on semantics but just using the term mafia seems feel like a "playing dumb" move, no offense intended there. Just couldn't think of a better way the explain the vibe I get from that post

VOTE: Haya

I know haya and TSE are different people but this blatant "scum and bingle"!and "mafia" comments feel acted and forced. Not genuine imo.

Also I am getting irked that you are switching from Icon's plan we all agreed too yesterday.

[i meant TSE's play. We have not played before]

[He was consistently trying to get Titus killed and accusing Bingle/farside of being scum for defending Titus. I suppose it could be distancing to call them out as being together but WOW lol]

[hm hm hm, perhaps she is acting. I suppose that it is kind of odd to ask for permission to no eliminate. She really should have known we are likely not dealing with killers + we are kind of already set in our lynching plan]

[I don't know much about Hayasaka, though, im unsure if this is unusual for her. I don't know if the cluelessness is necessarily scummy. It screams forced to you, i take it? I'm not so sure about that]

[Chateau Lobby]

It screams forced to you, i take it? I'm not so sure about that]

Maybe intentional is a better word than forced.

[Morning Tweet]

[Claiming his role to Hoctac immediately was quite bold. If he's an alien, it's suicide, even. A single protective on Hoctac N2 would have confirmed TSE as scum or town]

[I suppose it is possible TSE is groupscum holstering, although it seems unlikely. But if TSE is mafia, he would know that there is a shielder in the game, and thus wouldn't have been able to attack Hoctac. Or at least, you'd probably expect the doctor to heal the cop anyway]

[Morning Tweet]

It screams forced to you, i take it? I'm not so sure about that]

Maybe intentional is a better word than forced.

[Idk. I can see Hayasaka not realizing there are no killing roles, and immediately assuming scum holstered from that.]

[That would also suggest she was not reading very carefully yesterday -- seems sort of town indictative]

Why do I have red cards and a village role pm?
What are cards I don't understand.

Why is morning speaking in exclusively square brackets?
Why are you clearing morning so heavily?


What evidence points against Farside and Chateau right now?
Hard for me to approach this game if you guys solve from POE without stating reasons, but I am more here to watch then actively let town win anyway tbh.

I feel like you are spelling out to me Farside is scum then argue it's a point that makes her town

[I can partially agree though, i don't get the sheer amount confusion she's going thru]