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[shellyc]

sup dudes. hey worsty and MUSH

If y'all are interested in metadiving, look at my signature. I have a 100% winrate on this site (having completed two games)!

I have skimmed the thread but I'll do a comprehensive review of the thread as soon as I can.

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I have three (3) predecessors. That's a LOT tbh

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I skimmed the thread because of meta research

the only thing I remember is there was no kill n1

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im currently reading d1
wtf this game has a ton of replacements

pedit *embraces the feud*

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damn it's so hard to keep track of all these replacements

this game is cursed

give me a tl;dr will you?

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I'll still read it but I'll read the thread with a clearer mind and with better understanding of context

initial thoughts
I have a good vibe from the artificialbreadcrumbs slot from RVS
Kerset's laidback opening reads fairly town
don't like AMG63 reaction to 10 was gross

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Shellyc has been in a game with me, I think with activity I can sort her easily. Provisional townread, I can trust myself to sort that slot correctly later.

huge pockets

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I'm still reading the game and will post my thoughts very, very soon

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Do not especially like the Umlaut slot either. Gut-read SR on them

ClarkBar is quite scummy but i dont think they are an especially good pair for umlaut

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Mush does not trust anyone, it's a town trait.

I am still reading through but I do not like Umlaut here.

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my current solve is dongempire/umlaut

do not like dongempire's solves at all

umlaut is off somehow and their ISO doesnt look great

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I have returned

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I dont. I know his role, what im more interested is why shelly is going about this in a way that seems opportunistic.

How am I being opportunistic?

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I'll exist for the next 2 hours if you need me to hammer

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I have read through but it was pretty tiring reading everything ngl

you can highlight some important posts that I need to take note of

I can scumcase umlaut if you want to hear from my pov

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you redirected me to the start of the thread!

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what a scam dongempire

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@MOD I am V/LA till Wednesday

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rip dongempire btw

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With worst and Kerset conftown, I think we can make a perfect solve if shelly's posting ramps up. With activity, shelly is an easy sort for me. Emotional rather than logical player, semi-aggressive, goes with her gut and justifies her reads after she makes them. Her town game is very distinctive and difficult to fake.

have you read my scumgames?

posting or lack thereof isn't AI for me

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what if
we kill shelly first ........

nah

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I meant to continue with: the main reservation I have with the worst is that there was some jumping back and forth. They were playing with the Umlaut slot rather than truly pushing it. Now, they seemed to catch that they were making that mistake later on, but that speaks poorly of the slot nevertheless. It’s quite possible the worst didn’t realize they had cornered themselves into destroying their partner with the type of distancing they used.

tbh I don't think scum would "play" with their partner

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so now kerset is confirmed jailkeeper

the worst is locktown

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Assuming Kerset is jailkeeper, the worst must be town. Mush is my strongest TR - they're playing their distinct towngame here. that leaves Ivyeo / Clark and imo Clark is just last scum here

Ivyeo is a *viable* last scum but their ISO looks better than clark's and I like their thought process

clark has been semi-lurking and apathetic. we just go clark today tbh

I get my slot has been inactive but yeah I'll produce content for you to sort me and I trust y'all to come back to town!me penultimately

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I don't disagree. No objections. It's the easiest way for us to win this.

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Mush has a very high chance of being town and ONLY if both {Clark, ivyeo} are confirmed green shall I consider the possibility of scum!mush.

I’m fine with this plan.

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Will be gone for the next couple of days.

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mush does mush things as town and scum

i wouldn't say it's always *protown* but it's not AI

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I really hoped that shelly-clark-ivy would kind of argue with each other. That would open an opportunity to sort them.

clark / ivy lets duel. tbh there's not much left to sort, jailkeeper + today's elim would solve the game already

kerset's grammar is weird

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@MOD I am back early from V/LA!

VOTE: ClarkBar it's time for you to go buddy

your case on mush is terrible tbh

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my trip ended faster than I thought and also I miscalculated time so I'm back a day early

imma do a bit of ISO diving on mush. although I currently TR them I don't want to completely not consider a scum!Mush world

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quack

why does clark still think it's in scums benefit? looks like an attempt to divert us from the plan

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Mobile posting again!

I never suggested I had a solid case on Mush. I do understand the game state to the extent that my vote had to be between mush and Shelly. When I say I don’t have a TR on any of you that is based off play, not game state.

I’m concerned that focusing on eliminating scum has taken a backseat to dubious mechanic play. Whatever, maybe that’s the best approach. I sure don’t like it. I asked some questions that went unanswered. I was discredited. I’m “dangerous” to have around. I am flattered that my gambit against Umlaut is considered some kind of long play. Do what y’all want.

It seems to me the current course of action is in scum’s benefit. What is the case on me again? I’m abrasive and rude? When and how? Associative play with Umlaut? When and how? I bussed my partner through some convoluted means? All I can urge is for some critical thinking to enter the game. I wish I had the time and means to give a better rebuttal, but IRL stuff is working against me.

if you don't have a solid case / FoS on someone why do you vote them???
"dubious mechanic play" when that is the easiest way for us to win
"in scum's benefit" alludes to how kerset says the only way for scum to win is to stop this plan

this whole post makes me go ?!

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what do you mean?

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I'm meta-leaning them *town* for now. but given the small size of the pool if clark + ivy are both proven town I will have to FoS mush

I think scum!mush is not a huge possibility for now but will revisit ISO

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town!clark scum!mush

the mechanical play would leave mush last so... it might make sense

if you don't have a solid case on someone, i don't see how you SR someone though

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uhh yeah, the classic gut SR

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I reached a similar conclusion about her potent disdain for the idea of trying to jailkeep scum; it literally (in a quantitative way) benefits scum but I don't necessarily think she's scum for suggesting it.

It does feel like she still has something to prove though and I'm not convinced that her attempts to further sort players today are actually town motivated. They feel a bit flashy but also quite underwhelming

mush does mush things.

idk if they're AI since mush does things such as pushing without explanations that are weird

I would like to lim clark jail mush / ivy depending on my ISO readthrough

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worsty you can trust me here

I'm down to lim clark

tbh I have *concerns* about mush town recently. I don't like the jailkeeping talk but I don't think it warrants an SR. just concern.

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which makes me feel like she sincerely feels like the solve is actually going to win.

correcto

what gave my motives away? are you a mind-reader?

this plan will work and I know it will, that's why I'm going along with it. I've done the calculations in my head.

reading mush's ISO is to think about whether they're the trustable near-confirm here.

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yes I'll go for it

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what do you mean?

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so find the person that first SR'd mush?

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no I can't sorry

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lmao

I have a terrible memory tbh

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all of it.

I was half asleep when reading d1 though

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when I read the walls of pure townie energy

mush is more of a meta read.

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when they started talking about the jailkeeper jailing town and so on and so forth

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worsty tried to pocket mush.

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sorry for how long that took

my internet just got cut out

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do you think that's alignment indicative?

As town you would read this game and look for clues to find scum. As scum you would most likely just look at trends and seek for lynchable targets.

that's quite general, reading the thread doesn't give you auto *towncred*

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let me elaborate

like I got the feeling mush was trying to explore possibilities for scum to hide in
since this game has two conftowns

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Why do we want to hit scum? That's open to WIFOM -- JK targets town, scum skip the kill to push us into a 3 player ELo where they can create doubt on me (or whoever is the presumable conftown -- but right now every player has agreed that until a 3 player ELo, I'm basically town... so that's the closest we can get).

this was the post that triggered alarms

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The order things happened in suggests a town shelly who was all in on my (purposefully incorrect!) "we want to hit town with the JK", then realizing I was indirectly calling her more likely scum. There's a level of "I townread you but I'm worried I might be getting jerked around" to the flavor of that event.

they also purposefully wanted to make things incorrect which is weird

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lol when I said mush things, I meant mush things that mush does aren't AI. it applies to both alignments

tbh scum wouldn't have the town energy to put in effort and write walls and walls of things which is why I defaulted to town

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hi again

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it has to be MeLo here

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On the other hand, I refuse to be JKed. I would rather be eliminated. A JK will hit town if it goes on me, and (as we've discussed) that is subpar. It also won't cast my play in a truly townie light the way a flip will, and thus my play will end up ignored rather than viewed as being very cautious (and thus highlighting pitfalls I see for town).

are you refusing to be jailkept because you can't make the kill?

if you're town, being jailkept will confirm you if a kill is made

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tbh I don't see why kerset bends in to mush

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MUSH IS NOT AUTHORITY!

sure me being jailed will confirm me either way but being conftown does give less interactions than flipped town.

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what if nobody wants to be jailed lol

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jailing me won't case MY PLAY in a truly townie light.

I know, humans are selfish.

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no the worst is not getting jailed smh

we want to get investigative info from this

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also note the PAGETOP

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it sure is powerful worsty

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I'm actually *alright* with being jailed since it clears me

and I like being confirmed

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bow down to kerset the jailer

tbh I don't think mush should go. clark needs to be limmed today, I can read them in f4

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I'll give kerset some roast duck.

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I stand by my clark vote. I think this is game over; ivy's logic is decent and mush has a townlean from me meta-wise.

pedit: I won't since we're the same alignment.

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the ivy slot sometimes makes me a bit doubtful tbh

it's the most unreadable here

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I would suggest jailing ivy to cast me in a townie light

seriously, i need to see more from ivy

their iso is townier than I thought

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hmmmmm

hot take mush is townier than ivy

I mean their ISO looks good but I have concerns. i just have a gut *vibe* there

tbh I have concerns of everyone argh except the conftowns

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Associatives of Clark with Umlaut: this isn't a

blanket accusation

Spoiler:

I was asked by one of the voters to vote on him to add additional pressure and make the vote on him more impactful, so I did. You're acting as if I Joined the vote umprompted, which is false.

Where did anybody explicitly ask you to vote Umlaut to add pressure? If you mean this:

so i suppose what i'm saying, long-windedly, is... how do you feel about joining us on umlaut?

That's barely an invitation. From a townie who's had a town-read on the player in question all game I would expect a more nuanced response to a sudden wagon on that player than what you gave. What did you think would happen? Umlaut goes in to some kind of scummy tail-spin because he's getting accused of fluff-posting? That an E-2 vote from you with no questions and without citing specifics but just saying "points against him are good" is going to make scum!Umlaut crack?

I'm not saying you joined the vote unprompted, I'm saying you joined it all too easily and if pressure is what you had in mind, I don't see how you planned to use that pressure. Can you see where I'm coming from? If you think I'm misrepresenting you, please help me see the light.

By the way, in my humblest of opinions, if Umlaut is scum then the better tactic might be to bang the drum on a so-so push on a quieter and newer player and see if he takes the bait and votes it. That's just me, though.

scum!clark trying to deflect of scum!umlaut by suggesting to vote a "quiet and new" player which actually doesn't help reaction test

Ok, some obvious old stuff that I think is worth thinking about again before I cast a vote. A lot of this is me thinking out loud, writing it out is as much for my benefit as it is to communicate my thinking with others. Was the Sirius wagon just too easy to push that scum didn't really need to egg it on? Or, even be on it? I'm going to go with my gut and say that it's one scum on, one scum off. From there I'll PoE as best I can.


Off-Wagon: Mush, Iveyo, and Worst/ABC. ABC didn't really comment on Sirius, and was about to be replaced when D1 ended, so that's tough to gauge. Iveyo did vote for Sirius in 242 which put him at E-1. Mush did not like this one bit, and pressured Iveyo to unvote. Iveyo agrees and unvotes, never to put her vote elsewhere for the remainder of D1. Mush's reasoning for not liking the vote is something I disagree with wildly (and seemingly at odds with 233), and I pointed out an inconsistency with Mush at the time (246). The response from Mush was kinda hard to parse. I don't believe that E-1 is dangerous (especially on a slot that you scum-read), I don't believe that the full time before deadline needs to be used (and three days is not that much time to consolidate), and I don't believe that Kerset was a viable wagon to initiate with ~2 days till deadline (especially for the reasons given). So, the question for me is which player is scummier? Mush for claiming to find Sirius scummy but not voting for reasons of discussion while simultaneously desiring an elimination target, then pressuring another player to unvote the player she finds scummy so she can start a counter-wagon on Kerset while being very close to the deadline? Or Iveyo, who when asked to remove their E-1 vote buckled like an old donkey?

As convoluted as I find the progression from Mush, I just don't see town removing their vote like that. I like Iveyo for off-wagon scum.

(on a side-note, if daytime scum-chat weren't a thing I'd be tempted to see a scum-team between these two due to 234, 243, and 253 but given that they can simply chat in another thread such a performance would be a reach)

On-wagon: Kerset, Willow, Me, Umlaut, Dong. This is a bit tricky, because Sirius was such an excellent elimination candidate that anybody could defend their position on it. I know I'm town (duh) and I'm having a difficult time reading the rest. I'm pretty neutral on Dong. Kerset is a huge question mark. I dislike how she throws shade at me for being opportunistic for my vote after the fact, and I find some of her reasoning/logic tough to follow.

I don't dig the Umlaut wagon. I don't have a hard town-read on him necessarily, but the fluff posting accusation just seems a little lazy. His activity has been low, as has been mine. Not really AI, especially considering a holiday weekend dominated the first few days of this phase. He's placed a vote and asked others why they didn't vote in kind despite sharing some similar reservations about the slot. Is there something stronger in the mix? What "stand" has Umlaut not taken that others have? Anyways, I like how Umlaut tried to examine the Sirius wagon. I also like (though it's not too AI) that he provided an invitation and links for others analyze his own stance on it.

The issues with Willow have been mentioned, I've alluded to one of my own via a question I asked Willow. I think I put Willow as my on-wagon scum. Due to this being a somewhat low-information slot, I'm not thrilled with that conclusion, but here we are. Why does nobody want that slot?

Now, which one to vote for? I'll look at D2 pushes.

Willow: nothing really. Welcome shellyc.

Iveyo: Solidifies town-read on Umlaut, lessens scum-read on myself. Until that is some interest on an Umlaut wagon is stirred up, and then all of a sudden Iveyo hops on the wagon of her big town-read without being clear as to why. This is a big problem for me.

VOTE: Iveyo

pedit: ooh, it's an OMGUS vote now!

Accusation on umlaut is lazy, deflect onto ivy

And Clark, if you had read my most recent post before this you could see where I was saying that I wanted a more solid reason to town read someone mechanically who town appeared to not like, I liked their analysis of the Sirius vote which I said earlier, and removed my vote before it could cause damage.

Of course I read your entire iso before voting you.

Quote from my own post,
"Voting clearly gave you a need to have to say something here, which produced content. I don't like the content as much as your previous content, as I'm not sure I agree with the premise that scum would want to take credit for pushing on a partner, but I atleast understand the PoV it comes from."

Your vote didn't have a specific point for Umlaut to respond to. His response was to Mush. It had little to do with the votes on Umlaut at the time. The fact you moved off Umlaut doesn't change much for me.

I even asked before hand if it was for pressure or elim, which I was given an answer that essientally told me if I were to vote not to state which one it was, which is why I didn't.

This is a big part of my issue. Umlaut is your strongest town-read, then all of a sudden a wagon is born with three of the loudest voices in the games joining/circling it. Instead of trying to understand better why people are running up your strongest town-read (after all, 515 is poor), you instead inquire as to the nature of the wagon. Is it for real, or just for pressure? Which on its own isn't a terrible question. But then you pivot after being asked about joining the wagon, and then join it by saying that:

I feel like I trusted Umlaut, but the points made against him are pretty good. I agree with what you're saying about using your vote.
Therefore, there's only one logical conclusion here.

The points against him are good? Which ones? Why? Having Umlaut go from being your top town-read to a worthy place to put your vote (without being explicit as to why or asking any questions) doesn't feel like a natural progression.

I like that most recent post from you, probably the most towny thing you've posted so far, and I can forgive it for accusing me off of a post that had already been sent as you Pedited so you probably wrote that up before I posted, how does that change what you were saying though. I'd like to hear that from you.

Your vote for me is because you don't like me. Without specifics there's little I can do about that. And it doesn't change my view on your response to Mush asking you to take your vote off of Sirius, and it doesn't change my view on your progression with Umlaut. I find both things highly questionable. I feel that you're reactive to a troubling degree. Plus, 533 is as fence-sitting a position as I've seen.

So you want to vote on a quiet player and see if they get hung? you want to Eliminate quiet players to give a possible scum more targets to kill? That seems incredibly anti town. Once you have a scum, eliminate them. Until then, feel free to push to try and get info and content.

Questioning ivy jumping on Umlaut = basically chainsawing

I think you misunderstand. I don't want to eliminate you.

VOTE: Umlaut

His earlier responses didn't warm my heart. I had issues with Iveyo, and those are somewhat legitimate. I did inflate them a

touch

as I had a hunch. The resulting 608 pretty much confirms my suspicions. Fence-sitting on the Willow slot and sheeping my push in order to vote for Iveyo is enough for me.

Randomly decides that Umlaut wagon is good which doesn't match up with earlier posts. scum!clark giving up on scum!umlaut

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apologies, I messed up a bit of the formating

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I am super confident as town or scum I'm saying this - confidence is NAI for me tbh

like you shouldnt use it to read me

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hmmm i see where you're coming from

Ivy if you TR me who do you SR in {Clark, MUSH}

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worsty talk to me

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clark needs to go for what it's worth

967 was +1 townpoints but overall still quite scummy here

pedit: yes

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I could tolerate clark in f4 but hmmm i want him gone today

and back to work i go

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lim mush clear clark?

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PAGETOP

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I want mush jailed tbh

avoiding being jailed is a clear way to further scum wincon

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A kind reminder that I was on clark before.

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can everyone agree to kill clark jail mush?

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@shelly please unvote

UNVOTE: ClarkBar

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it's undoubted that d2 clark play indicated a clark / umlaut team

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by jailing we want to find conftown

ivy feels pretty town here. idk if inability to fight is that big of a problem

pedit: there you go

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what's fast night?

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worsty read the quote wall

clark deflects onto ivy but SR's umlaut
discredits the Umlaut wagon
but then revotes umlaut in the end

clark first busses then saves umlaut

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we just went past 1000 posts

pedit: worsty why? why can't you get around to scum!clark

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tbh if someone voted me now i'd be playing more aggro

I have a mainly PoE TR on ivy, might be time to reconsider. I have always considered the clark push on ivy as a deflect; what if town!clark and scum!ivy world existed?

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I think mush is still a tad scummier than ivy but I buy 1002

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if JK stands for Town Jailkeeper the answer is Kerset.

You, Mush. You'e getting jailed tonight.

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*you're

pedit: lol

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VOTE: Clark

Enjoy the bread Mush!

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this is still probably game over though

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Uhhh. how is it a scumslip?

I said enjoy the bread since although it's probably game over I still want mush to enjoy worsty's bread if jail happens

and we could have victory bread, can't we?

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was that hammer?

sorry im super bad at counting votes

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last words clark?

this will flip scum though

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didn't we just have a VC 2 posts ago? lol

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time to post insane amounts so mod runs out of space pictures

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Yea mush goes to my jail. I will give you some bread that tw liked.

mushy is confirmed town then

It's not me, so it must be you.

VOTE: Ivyeo this is obvscum. Good game dude, you had me fooled.

Ivy scumread me in 838 "leaning shelly as scum" but then townread me in 961. Which isn't that many posts. To me this looks like an attempt to position / pocket after knowing it isn't possible to mislim me and instead pivots to clark.

The hammer was after 1032-1036, clear indication that clark was ready to accept death. scum does NOT accept death there. then even faking a townslip with the question "is that GG?"

956 states that they are concerned about mush without expressing too much of a scumlean which is fence-sitting. Since Mush is quite the disagreeable player it would be beneficial for scum to get on Mush's right side.

Look back at d2 final VC. IVY WAS OFF THE UMLAUT WAGON. Umlaut's vote on Ivy is clear distancing. Ivy instead tries to mislim clark and deflect onto them; as clark is extremely mislimable.

631 states that they think Umlaut is rather townie. One scum TRing their partner and the other SRing their partner is quite the viable strategy. Look at how they voted for umlaut in 529 then deflected onto clark when umlaut was in danger of being limmed. This sounds awfully like an attempt to first bus, then save their partner. The progression is completely illogical.

533 is fence-sitting on Umlaut's alignment - which indicates that ivy has no interest in sorting the alignment of Umlaut, which indicates a partnership.

There are many, many more examples. Ivy you have done well presenting a fairly readable ISO. But I know you're scum. Be very, very afraid. There's no way you're winning this f4.

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time for dinner; I'll come back soon

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lets duel ivy aka outed scum

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how'd you do that worsty? really cool

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my slot was empty. yeah it sure was

I got a green role PM and that's all that matters

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Looking to use my vote somewhere else, but I'm still not sure on where? I still don't paticularly like Clark, but no one else is going there currently, still my vote is currently useless on no one
VOTE: ClarkBar

they did vote clark.

but the push was rather omgussy and weak

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"shelly looks townie but because she's good at playing scum + self aware"

when will you stop being so paranoid of me worsty

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I want to watch outed scum waste effort in casing me

scum!Umlaut bussing scum!ivy does make sense tbh

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now I wanna murder ivy more hmm

YESSSSSSSSS

you won't regret it worst, ivy is seriously just scum here

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yes scum, yes

case me since my slot was lurking which I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER

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Also. We still haven't heard shelly lay out a reason to townread her. Arguably harder than defending after the fact the way Ivyeo was able, but (if done correctly) far more impressive and effective. I think shelly, regardless of alignment, will find this exceedingly difficult. But if she can manage to build a case for herself being town with no information on why she might be scumread, and it actually fights the unseen scumreads, that is an incredibly powerful move in her favor. I also don't think scum ever figures out why they might be getting scumread in this situation save by blind chance... so I'm going to encourage this.

so you want me to self towncase here? I will try if you want

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I'll also address ivy's defense one sec

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addressing ivy defense

it was an obvious attempt to get clark limmed, and fortunately we didn't jail me which renders your pocketing attempts useless
scum needs to survive there and the correct play was to unvote after clark clearly acepted death which proves you have scum motives
if you have no confidence it's because you're afraid to express a controversial read. town isn't afraid of being controversial

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Ivy hasn't even scumcased me.

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Shellyc has been in a game with me, I think with activity I can sort her easily. Provisional townread, I can trust myself to sort that slot correctly later.

huge pockets

I have town motives because I am truly paranoid about being pocketed. Why would scum concern about pocketing?

Do not especially like the Umlaut slot either. Gut-read SR on them

Gut SR on Umlaut in my opening. Note that I have a tendency to *not* bus lategame. Read Newbie 2023.

Mush does not trust anyone, it's a town trait.

I am still reading through but I do not like Umlaut here.

Another expression of scum!Umlaut and giving meta info on Mush

my current solve is dongempire/umlaut

do not like dongempire's solves at all

umlaut is off somehow and their ISO doesnt look great

SR on Umlaut, SR on Dongempire. I often confuse TPR with scum and dong's play was pretty weird

Assuming Kerset is jailkeeper, the worst must be town. Mush is my strongest TR - they're playing their distinct towngame here. that leaves Ivyeo / Clark and imo Clark is just last scum here

Ivyeo is a *viable* last scum but their ISO looks better than clark's and I like their thought process

clark has been semi-lurking and apathetic. we just go clark today tbh

I get my slot has been inactive but yeah I'll produce content for you to sort me and I trust y'all to come back to town!me penultimately

Expressing a correct TR on Mush, null on Ivy which tbh makes sense as Ivyeo did a very good job this game

I don't disagree. No objections. It's the easiest way for us to win this.

Note that scum!me has a plan to win and going with the most protown mechanical solve doesn't help things for scum!me

Mush has a very high chance of being town and ONLY if both {Clark, ivyeo} are confirmed green shall I consider the possibility of scum!mush.

I’m fine with this plan.

I again affirm to trust the process which is protown. again I list mush as (correctly) town

@MOD I am back early from V/LA!

VOTE: ClarkBar it's time for you to go buddy

your case on mush is terrible tbh

I defend mush from clark's weird case. which doesn't make sense since I could latch on and get a free mush mislim

worsty you can trust me here

I'm down to lim clark

tbh I have *concerns* about mush town recently. I don't like the jailkeeping talk but I don't think it warrants an SR. just concern.

I start shading Mush AFTER they start SR'ing Ivy which doesnt make sense from scum!me motives since scum!me can latch on for again, an easy mislim

I'm actually *alright* with being jailed since it clears me

and I like being confirmed

scum doesn't want to be jailed; but I embraced the possibility

the ivy slot sometimes makes me a bit doubtful tbh

it's the most unreadable here

I shade Ivy AFTER they TR me which doesn't make sense from scum!me

hmmmmm

hot take mush is townier than ivy

I mean their ISO looks good but I have concerns. i just have a gut *vibe* there

tbh I have concerns of everyone argh except the conftowns

I geninuely express paranoia here; also start shifting to scum!ivy

worsty read the quote wall

clark deflects onto ivy but SR's umlaut
discredits the Umlaut wagon
but then revotes umlaut in the end

clark first busses then saves umlaut

Why would scum!me make a quote wall and scumcase town!clark when im going to get all the blame

Looking to use my vote somewhere else, but I'm still not sure on where? I still don't paticularly like Clark, but no one else is going there currently, still my vote is currently useless on no one
VOTE: ClarkBar

they did vote clark.

but the push was rather omgussy and weak

Why would I find something that +townpoints to ivy as scum?

[shellyc]

Mush doing mush things again. Mush is truly an enigma.

[shellyc]

PAGETOP

NOW IVY GO SCUMCASE ME FASTER!!!!!

[shellyc]

can't wait to see how weak the case turns out because of my pure town energy

[shellyc]

what is takking you so long I'm crazy refreshing this

[shellyc]

nice case scum!

I WAS ASLEEP WHEN THE HAMMER HAPPENED ARE YOU GOING TO PUNISH ME FOR THAT???

I never wanted jailkeeper to hit town I decided to trust the process which was correct

I was completely fine with being jailed and the response to mush was a joke

I was setting up for the next day since it was a possibility. is it scummy to consider all possibilities? NO!

this is a trash case

[shellyc]

They were at E-1 or close to E-1 and I didnt want to accidentally hammer it

that being said, why does scum!me not hammer and get boats of towncred when Umlaut was clearly the lim?

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Also this logic applies to you, since you weren't even ON THE WAGON and you did express a SR on Ivy which was weird

look at the prograssion - going on sirius wagon, listing umlaut as town THEN VOTING FOR UMLAUT and finally hopping off

it's an attempt to first bus, then save a partner

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*SR on Umlaut

read 436 529 533 598 631 for the illogical prograssion from town -> scum -> town

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wow I didnt expect that

a timestamp scumread, your methods are revolutionary

pedit: TOWN STANDS BY THEIR READS. WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE IT GENIUNE FROM A TOWN PERSEPECTIVE. town shouldn't and doesn't care a fuck about their appearance

[shellyc]

no offense ivy

I'm a person that gets heated because I really want to get you limmed today

[shellyc]

quack

sup worsty

[shellyc]

have you started scumcasing me yet?

[shellyc]

why didn't you prepare wtf

scum motives not going through ISOs

[shellyc]

blah blah blah

you're TMI'ing since you know I'm town

[shellyc]

TMI means too much info in case you didn't know

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PAGETOP

looks like we're waiting for worsty's case now

[shellyc]

don't let AtE get in the way. AtE is a very powerful tool as scum - I won Newbie 2019 by using it.

look forward to MushTheory (trademarked)

[shellyc]

AtE is appeal to emotion

[shellyc]

how will u feel if u lose newbie 2026 to it?

heartbroken

but at the same time if I lose ivy did play very well to AtE

[shellyc]

there is no world in which ivyeo is town

[shellyc]

also, I may consider the reaction was geniune, but it doesn't change the fact that ivy is scum

[shellyc]

worsty talk to me I'm lonely

[shellyc]

how did you feel when you replaced into yet another scumslot?

I DIDN'T REPLACE INTO A SCUMSLOT

ARGHHHH

WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO CONVINCE YOU

[shellyc]

why is what do you want from me a scum phrase

this is strawman

[shellyc]

amittedly i did overreact

but most important I'm seriously town and I didn't replace into a scumslot. that's all that matters

interesting how ivy's posting ramps up in mylo

[shellyc]

I'm an implusive, emotion-over-facts person.

Mush will you talk about your placeholders?

[shellyc]

worsty needs to post their case on me

[shellyc]

pretty much the game hinges on worstys case now

and back to work I go for now if I'm not needed

[shellyc]

congrats on your new title ivyeo

fitting to how you're just scum here

[shellyc]

look how at the bottom of your name it says goon

[shellyc]

lmaooooo worsty

[shellyc]

now seriously goodbye I should focus on work

[shellyc]

are we just all in limbo because worsty isn't casing me

[shellyc]

worsty I'm impatient hhow's the case coming along?

I love these space photos btw

[shellyc]

ooooof

I also find it weird how ivy does not address my self towncase

[shellyc]

tbh is ivy's choice to not address my self towncase a TMI slip since they know I am town?

[shellyc]

PAGETOP

[shellyc]

VOTE: Ivyeo

maybe im reading too much into things but i still want a response

[shellyc]

VOTE: Ivyeo

hammered:)

[shellyc]

I am a Town Triplevoter ggs

[shellyc]

Green bolded text is mine

Non-bold is mine

Shellyc has been in a game with me, I think with activity I can sort her easily. Provisional townread, I can trust myself to sort that slot correctly later.

huge pockets

I have town motives because I am truly paranoid about being pocketed. Why would scum concern about pocketing?

That post doesn't really feel like a pocket, it feels more like you're trying to make it look like someone was trying to pocket you to look towny

Well why doesn't it feel like a pocket? because it does and you're just wifoming this

Do not especially like the Umlaut slot either. Gut-read SR on them

Gut SR on Umlaut in my opening. Note that I have a tendency to *not* bus lategame. Read Newbie 2023.

You never actually did anything with that read, you just made it.

I did have intentions to vote them but it was too late. On the flip side, you happened to express an SR on your scumpartner after the majority consenus was an SR on them then you quickly pivoted back to clark which doesn't do anything either

Mush does not trust anyone, it's a town trait.

I am still reading through but I do not like Umlaut here.

Another expression of scum!Umlaut and giving meta info on Mush

Again, same reason. Nothing was really done with this push.

for what it's worth it's still a push. also see above

my current solve is dongempire/umlaut

do not like dongempire's solves at all

umlaut is off somehow and their ISO doesnt look great

SR on Umlaut, SR on Dongempire. I often confuse TPR with scum and dong's play was pretty weird

See above

Assuming Kerset is jailkeeper, the worst must be town. Mush is my strongest TR - they're playing their distinct towngame here. that leaves Ivyeo / Clark and imo Clark is just last scum here

Ivyeo is a *viable* last scum but their ISO looks better than clark's and I like their thought process

clark has been semi-lurking and apathetic. we just go clark today tbh

I get my slot has been inactive but yeah I'll produce content for you to sort me and I trust y'all to come back to town!me penultimately

Expressing a correct TR on Mush, null on Ivy which tbh makes sense as Ivyeo did a very good job this game

You also called Mush scum, and near the end of the day that was your PoV, you've played both sides of this

I called Mush scum *later*. By this logic I can call you scum for scumreading dong and townreading mush. bad reads doesn't mean not town

I don't disagree. No objections. It's the easiest way for us to win this.

Note that scum!me has a plan to win and going with the most protown mechanical solve doesn't help things for scum!me

Mush has a very high chance of being town and ONLY if both {Clark, ivyeo} are confirmed green shall I consider the possibility of scum!mush.

I’m fine with this plan.

I again affirm to trust the process which is protown. again I list mush as (correctly) town

You did not address this which proves my point

@MOD I am back early from V/LA!

VOTE: ClarkBar it's time for you to go buddy

your case on mush is terrible tbh

I defend mush from clark's weird case. which doesn't make sense since I could latch on and get a free mush mislim

We both know that Mush push wasn't happening, Clark was the obvious Elim there

It also affected the jailkeeper decision allowing you to make a kill

worsty you can trust me here

I'm down to lim clark

tbh I have *concerns* about mush town recently. I don't like the jailkeeping talk but I don't think it warrants an SR. just concern.

I start shading Mush AFTER they start SR'ing Ivy which doesnt make sense from scum!me motives since scum!me can latch on for again, an easy mislim

But you need to not only miselim, but do it without being caught, as one miselium was not winning

One mislim is still a mislim. Strawman

I'm actually *alright* with being jailed since it clears me

and I like being confirmed

scum doesn't want to be jailed; but I embraced the possibility

I addressed this, one case of being fine with it doesn't counteract the rest

It's still a case. Strawman again

the ivy slot sometimes makes me a bit doubtful tbh

it's the most unreadable here

I shade Ivy AFTER they TR me which doesn't make sense from scum!me

See two above

hmmmmm

hot take mush is townier than ivy

I mean their ISO looks good but I have concerns. i just have a gut *vibe* there

tbh I have concerns of everyone argh except the conftowns

I geninuely express paranoia here; also start shifting to scum!ivy

You started shifting to me as worst did, it's not an "out there" play

It's my realisation that you're scum. It also doesn't further scum!shelly wincon which proves I have town motives

worsty read the quote wall

clark deflects onto ivy but SR's umlaut
discredits the Umlaut wagon
but then revotes umlaut in the end

clark first busses then saves umlaut

Why would scum!me make a quote wall and scumcase town!clark when im going to get all the blame

We were all scum reading Clark, and saying "why would I do X as Mafia" is classic Wifom, This also aknowledges that you have to live past one miselim, which you conviently left out of your previous logic

This whole thing is wifom then. also this emphasises that I NEED TO LIVE PAST THE SCUMCASE which means your logic proves my point

Looking to use my vote somewhere else, but I'm still not sure on where? I still don't paticularly like Clark, but no one else is going there currently, still my vote is currently useless on no one
VOTE: ClarkBar

they did vote clark.

but the push was rather omgussy and weak

Why would I find something that +townpoints to ivy as scum?

To Seem more towny? Esp given you weren't sure which of the two you of us you would need to fight till near the end of day, it isn't too out there

bah this is such a wifomy case

I mostly adressed this, but here are them adressed directly

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this took ages to format correctly

[shellyc]

hi mush where is it?

[shellyc]

Mush doing mush things again!

this isn't protown

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VOTE: Ivyeo

i don't see it tbh

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ivy why are you still alive you're more than hammered
also wait why does it said I bumped??

[shellyc]

I wrote another version of daystart post if there was no kill over the night.

sure dig them up and I will change your mind because ivy is lockscum

also wanting to duel with ivy is a protown mindset since i want this lim

[shellyc]

oh I forgot to vote for ivy
VOTE: Ivyeo -2 votes from elimination

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Honestly, looking through those accusations and defenses, I'm worried as I don't immediately see evidence of someone having foreknowledge of something they shouldn't

"don't immediately see" is fence-sitting

me: "I don't see it"
scum!ivy: "I don't immediately see it" since I have no time to reread and find my mistake and when mushy points it out I will say i missed it

pedit: I need it because im town end of convo

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this is a pretty good example.

if she's town, then ivy is necessarily scum. but it feels like she still wants to be seen to be evaluating Ivy's alignment - there's elements of her posting which can be attributed to like, knowing she's right, but I don't feel like her push is /consistently/ coming from a mindset that knows it's right.

I was not evaluating their alignment I was trying to see how badly they scumslipped

[shellyc]

842 is a forced townslip

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*I mean scum trying to townslip in case the word "forced" isn't clear

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uhhhhh I didn't say it was a townslip, I said it was scum trying to townslip and I clarified it...

[shellyc]

scum trying to townslip != town townslipping

[shellyc]

what will it take to convince you that I simply messed up my words

[shellyc]

town: more aggressive pushing, actively trying to gamesolve, genuine reads
scum: more manipulative, I have a clear gameplan and in chat mafia I have TMI slipped more than once

my towngame is wack tbh, scumgame definitely better than towngame

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I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't like, a pick 3 type thing with the set-ups, if there was a RBer left alive the Jailkeeper cou;ld have been Roleblocked and stopped right?

STOP BEING CONFUSED
STOP TRYING TO GET TOWNCRED

YOU'RE NOT GETTING TOWNCRED FROM THIS

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this is a blatant fake townslip

[shellyc]

you know I am town therefore you slipped and you're fence sitting

[shellyc]

what if I told you you tmi slipped last phase and perspective slipped this phase?

uhhh I perspective slipped because I was trying to find more evidence to convince YOU

also when did I TMI slip because I didn't

[shellyc]

that's fence sitting by not committing to an opinion

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I also don't think that would make a good fake townslip. Townslips are obviously done to look more towny, but that would be really easy for the town to notice as "wow that feels really forced," esp given no one had brought up the Mafia PR.
Being 100% honest, I did realize as I wrote it that it was kinda townslippy, but I still wanted to make sure of it and didn't think it was a bad thing

this is wifom

[shellyc]

guys what does no NK mean as a tactic?


hahahahaha I townslipped I am auto town

[shellyc]

VOTE: Ivyeo

this is the 100% correct solve

[shellyc]

I know that was my pred I was joking

[shellyc]

*drumroll moment*

my heart is racing

[shellyc]

VOTE: Ivyeo

man I love shitposting

[shellyc]

Spoiler: the answer

I was the last scum all along.

FR though I need to go for like an hour or so

VOTE: THE WORST

[shellyc]

VOTE: Ivyeo

[shellyc]

I'll be there to solve the game if you need me

[shellyc]

I mean I have to believe it at this point? I can't fairly evaluate the move from the position of knowing them beyond a doubt to be Mafia.

good game ivyeo is this your first game?

[shellyc]

Mush is super suspenseful and I like it

encourages me to be here 24/7

[shellyc]

ivyeo is naturally great at posting as scum and I love that

but we need to get rid of you because you're 100% scum

[shellyc]

PAGETOP

bye i have to go

[shellyc]

I like your vibe in general ivy but you're scum

at the same time rusty town!shelly is going to take the win here
VOTE: Ivyeo

pedit: yeah I prefer the forum style as opposed to chat mafia after trying it

[shellyc]

I'm back

am I needed right now

I WAS FREAKING OUT I THOUGHT WORSTY WOULD VOTE IVYEO WHEN I WAS GONE
finally you come back to town!me, thank god

[shellyc]

D3 both underwhelming which is a weak towntell for shelly if she's in the PoE I think, ivy was never under threat d3 and so didn't really have an opportunity to throw is anything valuable

I was kinda apathetic d3 and there were like 10 new pages every time i tried to catch up

[shellyc]

welcome back scum didn't you go to bed

[shellyc]

Ivyeo this is flawed

scum!ivy has info that I am town!shelly
town!shelly has info that you are scum!ivyeo

[shellyc]

blah last ditch AtE well played dude

[shellyc]

I have returned once again

hammer it please and get this done

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pedit: good call; I actually think shelly was the opposite of hyperaggressive d3. if anything I felt like the prewritten post thing gave me whiplash on the leap from confusion to hyper laser focus burying ivy

I was more *relaxed* d3 since town was in a pretty good position

I went into super aggro mode today since I WANT TO WIN THIS 1V1

[shellyc]

scum giving up

HAMMER IT NOW PLEASE JUST DO IT AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[shellyc]

town never gives up here

VOTE: Ivyeo I am a Doublevoter