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Post Post #5650 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:51 pm

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these posts are like, illustrative of what i see reading IV's ISO ctrl+f una (i'm a bit burned out and there's like a 0% chance i'm going to do that 1300 post read i wanted to do for a quarter of a second, lol)
there's a pattern here in that IV really struggles to talk about una unless:
- it's ro2'd/ro3'd (i.e. he is talking to or about una + someone else)
- it's directly mechanical (which plays into the way una wants to be townread this phase), no offense but iv doesn't have a *great* mechgame and in retrospect the fact that he immediately correctly intuited what una wanted people to intuit about his claims probably should have been ringing more alarm bells like, yday
In post 2157, innocentvillager wrote:I think I’m at

{innocentvillager}
{NM}
{Pooky, Lilith}
{Four, Nep}
{worsty, Una}
{Norway, Sirius, BP, Zombie, SS}
In post 2164, innocentvillager wrote:I am townreading you and una just not to degree that I am townreading everyone else

The bottom are nully and I intend to investigate those slots more later

Gut thoughts on SS are.. well none really? I don’t really notice them much which as I’ve said makes me maybe lean scum
In post 2166, innocentvillager wrote:una has long walls that I never really bothered to read and other people are townreading them
In post 2527, innocentvillager wrote:i think we're in a good spot right now, 100 pages is a lot but I do think there's enough to say at least two scum are in {Zombie, Billy, Norway, Water}

when almost everyone mostly agrees that's a good sign

if anyone else is scum my bets are on Una and worsty

I'm trying to be less paranoid because it just cost me a game, sometimes the scumteam is just... that

It's verryyyy interesting that certain people (like Billy, Una) are bringing this up and agreeing with it, makes me think that if either of them flip scum then the rest of the team is likely in this pool
In post 2573, innocentvillager wrote:like okay if I was in the PoE I doubt my first reaction is to go "OMG town got it wrong, ahhh deepwolfs, we should push there instead" town's probably just right on like 2/3 in the pool

pedit: lilith i mean the scumteam most likely isn't completely in those 4 just from sheer probability (maybe it is that would be sick)? but add in like una and worsty and now I'd be really surprised if the game's still going
In post 2755, innocentvillager wrote:@worst and una another question here: I don’t really follow the PR/setup spec stuff in gneeral for closed games, but I’m interested in your thoughts on each other’s suggestions/if there is anything AI or scum/town!motivated in particular
In post 2878, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 2875, Zombie Apocalypse wrote:I now think norwee is more likely town purelly because of the change of the profile pic
lol I do feel this

is it weird that this is so weird yet agreeable that I’m giving this townpoints

Pedit: yeah I assume sausage and una slots are the ones you want to revisit?
In post 3209, innocentvillager wrote:I guess una is town too
In post 3215, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 3211, the worst wrote:
In post 3165, innocentvillager wrote:VOTE: zombie
why?
In post 3208, innocentvillager wrote:yup Nep is town ez
why?
In post 3209, innocentvillager wrote:I guess una is town too
why>
you really think scum!Nep faked her blocked report, mod saw it went oh fuck, locked the game, and Nep got a new result?

and you think scum!una outs like that to directly cc town!Nep for no reason?? Unless you think they’re scum together but that doesn’t make sense either
In post 3218, innocentvillager wrote:so the error was una rolestopped Nep and mod interpreted it as a roleblock and gave Nep no result? I assume that’s what happened? Idk if speculating this is anti rules buttttttt it’s there
In post 3245, innocentvillager wrote:{NM}
{Lilith, Nep, SS, Una}
{four}
{bp, worsty, water}
{plus}
In post 3956, innocentvillager wrote:i feel like una is probably town having not understood most of the setup stuff? I’d have to reread it a bit, but I think I will get suspicious if the slot is still here tomorrow, and definitely if it’s still here D5

so I guess it’s froppy + four/worsty/Una/Lilith/SS in that order? which like kind of feels wrong that four is my top because idk if four+froppy play this way
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Post Post #5651 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:53 pm

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hit submit by mistake - the later parts of his reads on una are basically "townbin for mech reasons, don't reevaluate, don't engage"
from the start of his iso until like circa post 4000 iv still has not at any point reacted to una shitpushing a tw/iv team
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Post Post #5652 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:56 pm

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In post 5116, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 5038, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm a bit sad to hear that this is what MWNN feels.. :?
And if this is AtE, Ducky was once more jumping off the lynch.. :igmeou:

VOTE: MWNN - is this the hammer?
??? “BuDucky-IV” is your only read this game and you decided to compromise here with days left to go??
andddddddddd his first acknowledgement of it is in twilight before f5
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Post Post #5653 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:56 pm

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if you're scum billy, gg

if you're town sorry i did this to you after all
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Post Post #5654 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:48 am

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In post 5632, Titus wrote:@Billy, I didn't sort anyone by anyone's case. I went by the votes. The votes suggest you aren't scum so by PoE Duck is. I'm abnormal in how I scumhunt. I prefer hard cold facts to sqishy feels.
Why is duck scum based on the VCs?
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Post Post #5655 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:41 am

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In post 5653, the worst wrote:if you're scum billy, gg

if you're town sorry i did this to you after all
Did what to me?
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Post Post #5656 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:19 am

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Man, I dont think Titus read D5 at all, or at least the back and forth between you and Una and then your continued engagement with the thread.

And this is what I was terrified of Ducky. Now im sitting here as the conf!town and I need to figure out which of you is scum.
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Post Post #5657 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:20 am

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@Titus - im leaning heavily to you being scum, so you're gonna have to convince me otherwise.
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Post Post #5658 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:39 am

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AND HE DOES IT AGAAAAIIIINNNNNNNN
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #5659 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:40 am

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In post 5655, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 5653, the worst wrote:if you're scum billy, gg

if you're town sorry i did this to you after all
Did what to me?
In post 5627, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Jesus Christ this is my fucking nightmare scenario.
I have to sort between duck and Titus? So I assume Titus is voting for duck here or was that just bullshit?
^^^ I was apologising for doing this to you
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Post Post #5660 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:42 am

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There's like three ways this day goes down:
Titus & I crossvote, you're the decisionmaker (which you just expressed anxiety about)
you & Titus crossvote, I'm the decisionmaker (which ngl is basically just what I assumed would happen)
you & I crossvote, Titus is the decisionmaker (scum win)
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Post Post #5661 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:24 am

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In post 5660, the worst wrote:There's like three ways this day goes down:
Titus & I crossvote, you're the decisionmaker (which you just expressed anxiety about)
you & Titus crossvote, I'm the decisionmaker (which ngl is basically just what I assumed would happen)
you & I crossvote, Titus is the decisionmaker (scum win)
Except you already voted... and I didn't hammer. So now im the decision maker regardless of whether Titus votes.
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Post Post #5662 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:36 am

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Titus, I'm probably gonna vote you. If you're town here, you need to tell me why duck is scum.
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Post Post #5663 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:51 am

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I'm biting back retorts and posting entirely to clarify: you're the decision maker *because* I threw down the first vote on Titus. So that's why I'm sorry for putting you in this position.

I still don't think it's like a super difficult one to get right but being the hammerer in f3 is unenviable.

Let me know if you want anything from me (I'm probably not doing any more diving though)
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Post Post #5664 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:13 am

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actually on reflection, granted scum!me probably needed to double down on Titus anyway. but. *gestures wildly at day five solve*

we should both feel bad for putting you in this position.
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Post Post #5665 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:07 pm

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In post 5656, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Man, I dont think Titus read D5 at all, or at least the back and forth between you and Una and then your continued engagement with the thread.

And this is what I was terrified of Ducky. Now im sitting here as the conf!town and I need to figure out which of you is scum.
It's correct. I read virtually nothing prior to my sub in. It's my style.

I'll go into detail on the votes tmo.
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Post Post #5666 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:35 pm

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can vouch, that's not AI for Titus.
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #5667 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:09 am

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In post 1829, osuka wrote:Image
vote count

day 1, vc 7


Sirius9121
(6, E-1) - UnaBombaH, TheFourEyedDude, the worst, Zombie Apocalypse, Nepenthes, lilith2013

TheFourEyedDude
(2) - Billy Pilgrim, PookyTheMagicalBear
Billy Pilgrim
(1) - innocentvillager
Nepenthes
(1) - NorwegianboyEE
Something_Smart
(0)
NorwegianboyEE
(0)
innocentvillager
(0)
Not_Mafia
(0)
Zombie Apocalypse
(0)
UnaBombaH
(0)
the worst
(0)
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)
lilith2013
(0)

Not Voting
(3) - Sirius9121, Something_Smart, Not_Mafia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-06 18:22:00).
Looking at this wagon. We see scum have nothing to fear here and were likely taking low hanging wagon fruit. The worst's vote comes right in the middle to hide.

In post 2363, osuka wrote:
In post 2108, lilith2013 wrote:hello and welcome to the good place
In post 2109, the worst wrote:THIS IS THE BAD PLACE. CALLING IT NOW.
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Sirius9121
(3) - TheFourEyedDude, Zombie Apocalypse, innocentvillager
NorwegianboyEE
(3) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes
Billy Pilgrim
(2) - Sirius9121, NorwegianboyEE
Nepenthes
(1) - Something_Smart
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(1) - Not_Mafia
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TheFourEyedDude
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Something_Smart
(0)
innocentvillager
(0)
Zombie Apocalypse
(0)
the worst
(0)
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)
lilith2013
(0)

Not Voting
(2) - UnaBombaH, PookyTheMagicalBear

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-06 18:22:00).
This is would be a really heavily pushed wagon on a lurker slot if I was scum.

In post 2514, osuka wrote:
In post 2366, the worst wrote:you drive a bug?? wow I absolutely love your car and your choice in cars is second to none please have my firstborn child

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day 1, vc 9


NorwegianboyEE
(4, E-3) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude
Billy Pilgrim
(3) - Waterdispenser, NorwegianboyEE, Zombie Apocalypse
Waterdispenser
(2) - innocentvillager, Not_Mafia
UnaBombaH
(1) - Billy Pilgrim
Nepenthes
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Not_Mafia
(0)
TheFourEyedDude
(0)
Something_Smart
(0)
innocentvillager
(0)
Zombie Apocalypse
(0)
the worst
(0)
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)
lilith2013
(0)

Not Voting
(3) - UnaBombaH, PookyTheMagicalBear, Something_Smart

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-06 18:22:00).

There was no 'nader and it just rained instead.
T v T wagons here. It makes little sense for the wagon on EE to be totally pure.

In post 2739, osuka wrote:
In post 2626, the worst wrote:this game is gonna be juicy, i can feel it.

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day 1, vc 9


NorwegianboyEE
(5, E-2) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude, Waterdispenser
Billy Pilgrim
(4, E-3) - Zombie Apocalypse, PookyTheMagicalBear, innocentvillager, Not_Mafia
innocentvillager
(1) - NorwegianboyEE
Waterdispenser
(0)
Zombie Apocalypse
(0)
UnaBombaH
(0)
Nepenthes
(0)
Not_Mafia
(0)
TheFourEyedDude
(0)
Something_Smart
(0)
the worst
(0)
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)
lilith2013
(0)

Not Voting
(3) - UnaBombaH, Something_Smart, Billy Pilgrim

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The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-07 18:22:00).
Now, scum doubling up on the BP wagon when EE is voting for me doesn't make sense.
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Post Post #5668 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:12 am

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In post 2943, osuka wrote:
In post 2898, NorwegianboyEE wrote:This day 1 truly is purgatory.


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day 1, vc 10


NorwegianboyEE
(4, E-3) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude, Waterdispenser
Billy Pilgrim
(3) - Zombie Apocalypse, PookyTheMagicalBear, Not_Mafia
Zombie Apocalypse
(1) - innocentvillager
UnaBombaH
(1) - NorwegianboyEE
innocentvillager
(0)
Waterdispenser
(0)
Nepenthes
(0)
Not_Mafia
(0)
TheFourEyedDude
(0)
Something_Smart
(0)
the worst
(0)
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)
lilith2013
(0)

Not Voting
(3) - UnaBombaH, Something_Smart, Billy Pilgrim

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-07 18:22:00).
To suppose that I am scum here supposes that IV just decided to randomly bus when there are two town wagons. One of which is totally pure and threatening a partner.

Or the worst is scum sitting on a chainsaw.
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In post 3183, osuka wrote:Image
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day 2, vc 1


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(4, E-2) - UnaBombaH, Not_Mafia, the worst, Billy Pilgrim
Zombie Apocalypse
(3) - Something_Smart, lilith2013, innocentvillager
innocentvillager
(0)
TheFourEyedDude
(0)
Billy Pilgrim
(0)
UnaBombaH
(0)
the worst
(0)
Something_Smart
(0)
Not_Mafia
(0)
lilith2013
(0)
Waterdispenser
(0)

Not voting
(4) - Waterdispenser, Zombie Apocalypse, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude

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Post Post #5670 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:17 am

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The early game makes no sense without ducky being scum.
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Post Post #5671 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:17 am

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In post 5670, Titus wrote:The early game makes no sense without ducky being scum.
What assumptions do you operate under when you do your vca?
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Post Post #5672 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:20 am

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In post 5668, Titus wrote:
In post 2943, osuka wrote:
In post 2898, NorwegianboyEE wrote:This day 1 truly is purgatory.


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day 1, vc 10


NorwegianboyEE
(4, E-3) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude, Waterdispenser
Billy Pilgrim
(3) - Zombie Apocalypse, PookyTheMagicalBear, Not_Mafia
Zombie Apocalypse
(1) - innocentvillager
UnaBombaH
(1) - NorwegianboyEE
innocentvillager
(0)
Waterdispenser
(0)
Nepenthes
(0)
Not_Mafia
(0)
TheFourEyedDude
(0)
Something_Smart
(0)
the worst
(0)
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)
lilith2013
(0)

Not Voting
(3) - UnaBombaH, Something_Smart, Billy Pilgrim

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The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-07 18:22:00).
To suppose that I am scum here supposes that IV just decided to randomly bus when there are two town wagons. One of which is totally pure and threatening a partner.

Or the worst is scum sitting on a chainsaw.
Which totally pure wagon was threatening a partner?
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Post Post #5673 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:23 am

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In post 5672, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 5668, Titus wrote:
In post 2943, osuka wrote:
In post 2898, NorwegianboyEE wrote:This day 1 truly is purgatory.


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day 1, vc 10


NorwegianboyEE
(4, E-3) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude, Waterdispenser
Billy Pilgrim
(3) - Zombie Apocalypse, PookyTheMagicalBear, Not_Mafia
Zombie Apocalypse
(1) - innocentvillager
UnaBombaH
(1) - NorwegianboyEE
innocentvillager
(0)
Waterdispenser
(0)
Nepenthes
(0)
Not_Mafia
(0)
TheFourEyedDude
(0)
Something_Smart
(0)
the worst
(0)
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)
lilith2013
(0)

Not Voting
(3) - UnaBombaH, Something_Smart, Billy Pilgrim

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-07 18:22:00).
To suppose that I am scum here supposes that IV just decided to randomly bus when there are two town wagons. One of which is totally pure and threatening a partner.

Or the worst is scum sitting on a chainsaw.
Which totally pure wagon was threatening a partner?
Got it, youre talking about Norwee's vote on Una. So you think 2 scum can't have gone to 1 side of the TvT wagon knowing that his vote was on their partner. I mean nor.al impulse is to look on wagon after a d1 town elim, so why not be off elim. And hadnt I voted Una first? So they were on someone that was threatening Una, right?
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Post Post #5674 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:38 am

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I don't see a vote on Una.

Second, even if you were, it would be better to split the votes to ensure one wagon goes through rather than overload or bus.
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