FGO Mafia - Notes and Actions: Moon Cancer)

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Oh. Interesting though. If Beast is town, that ability would partially explain the 180 on Shielder after Shielder full-claimed with an oddly conflicting Noble Phantasm

[Servant Moon Cancer]

I'm not going to be terribly surprised if it turns out that the scum team is just Lancer/Ruler.

Ruler did do a lot of things that I think are odd for scum though.

I actually do intend to do reading at some point to recheck my thoughts here.

Really....

Honestly...

[Servant Moon Cancer]

I don't think it's impossible for Ruler to be scum or anything, but there are certain things that I think Ruler v2 did that are more likely to come from town than scum.

For example, I do still hold to the theory that alt-hunting and making guesses about someone's actions / alignment based on what you _think_ you know of who they are is more a town thing than a scum thing. This isn't like a 100% town tell though, and scum could very easily do this if they thought it landed them some sort of advantage, but uh... I think the way Ruler went about that sort of thing seems more likely to come from town.

I do also still really like this reaction:

Ruler: "Also fuck off calling me dead weight as scum."
Assassin: "did i hurt baby's feelings"
Ruler: "Yes, baby is good scum."

[Servant Moon Cancer]

There are some very, very weak positive interactions that look OKish between Ruler/Archer.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

"AE can I get your thoughts on the eod movement onto Assassin (haven't read how that developed yet either)."

Why Alter Ego? Because he thought he had figured out who Alter Ego is and probably valued that opinion, I guess? I'm trying to think about why scum-Ruler here singles out Alter Ego if he isn't even angling for a scum read on Alter Ego.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

"I would have given Archer a ton of points if they stuck to Avenger"

This is an example of an incredibly weak positive interaction. It's just a weird way to mention a buddy, where you're not even calling his actions town, just saying he would have seemed town if he hadn't done something.

It's incredibly weak because I guess scum could still do this, I just don't see like... the goal of it, I guess? I think maybe it's because I think "if I were scum, I'd wanna come down with a more concrete conclusion about it" sort of thing, maybe? But I am increasingly aware that I need to remember people don't think like me.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

"Fairly sure I know who Moon is though and I think highly of their scum game + unpredictability as either alignment."

I wonder how accurate his guess was.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

On that note, I should mention that the person I thought Assassin was is probably not who Assassin is. I originally thought "oh, he knows who this Prism dude is, I'll go check out Prism games for someone who posts in all lowercase and see if I get any matches" and then I found some other dude who did that and thought "ok fits".

Now I'm guessing Assassin is just another retiree coming back into the work force.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

And that Assassin was trying to IMITATE me.

And that Alter Ego guessed that Assassin was me based on that imitation!!

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Oh, I should mention that even independent of the whole lover stuff at the end of yesterday, I had a reason to assume Saber was not scum with caster:

Saber kept calling me Moon Caster...

It suggests a lack of consciousness of there being a "Caster" and a "Moon Cancer" in two separate slots in this game, basically.

(This is ignoring other interactions which made them seem unlikely to be scum together too, I just thought that was an interesting thing that happened though.)

On a related note,

Ruler: "I keep confusing this slot with saber tbh and don't have a strong impression of them."

This happened to me, too - I kept confusing Lancer / Saber (and I literally almost just wrote "Laber and Sancer"). It's weaker than the mix-up Saber was doing, but I kind of believe this and I believe it _could_ come from someone who's less conscious of them.

That said, if Lancer and Saber are both scum, it means very little. And I suspect that's the case. Ergo, incredibly weak positive association.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Overall it's not a strong enough town read that I'm going to be shocked if it is incorrect, but I do want to think about the reasons I went wrong if Ruler is actually scum.

The problem I have is that if Ruler is town, then uh...

OK, Lancer's scum. But who else?

If I assume Alter Ego's read on Rider isn't faulty, then uh... what? Beast is left?

Eh..................

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Based on game state it just makes sense that it's Lancer-Ruler.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Based on my personal read of Ruler's ISO, I think he's more likely town than not.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

I guess the one big criticism I have of Ruler v2 is that when D1 actually started, he did very little (or really nothing) in the way of scum hunting and talked more about the whole "who voted who in the master phase" stuff.

Which could have just been an attempt at #Busywork

[Servant Moon Cancer]

I think I just want to get rid of Lancer tomorrow and then think about whether or not Ruler makes the most sense as the final scum after that.

Lucky for me, though... I have a role that actually alleviates the need for me to think about that if we eliminate scum tomorrow!

On that note, I should probably check..................................



How does roleblocking interact with Faceless Moon?

Scenario A: "Roleblocker A" targets "Player B" N1. I target "Roleblocker A" N2 and "Roleblocker A" targets me N2. Am I roleblocked or does my action apply before "Roleblocker A"?
Scenario B: "Roleblocker A" targets me N1. I target "Roleblocker A" N2 and "Roleblocker A" targets player B N2. What the fuck happens here? Because I think I just created a a time paradox.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

I guess realistically it doesn't matter if Ruler is scum or not since uh... unless there's scum hiding in what's essentially a town bloc, the game is kind of on autopilot mode atm

[Servant Moon Cancer]

I still wanna get that read correct or figure out why I didn't.

[Cabd]

I think I just want to get rid of Lancer tomorrow and then think about whether or not Ruler makes the most sense as the final scum after that.

Lucky for me, though... I have a role that actually alleviates the need for me to think about that if we eliminate scum tomorrow!

On that note, I should probably check..................................



How does roleblocking interact with Faceless Moon?

Scenario A: "Roleblocker A" targets "Player B" N1. I target "Roleblocker A" N2 and "Roleblocker A" targets me N2. Am I roleblocked or does my action apply before "Roleblocker A"?
Scenario B: "Roleblocker A" targets me N1. I target "Roleblocker A" N2 and "Roleblocker A" targets player B N2. What the fuck happens here? Because I think I just created a a time paradox.

The general answer to this is that "Taunts resolve before any other action in the game, and a taunt is applied on a night, then sits active until it fires off on the second night"

[Servant Moon Cancer]

That answer would make sense if it was in English, I'm sure.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Is a taunt a roleblock?

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Oh, Faceless Moon is a taunt?

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Oh, I see, that was your explanation for the time paradox. In reality, I've already used the taunt, I just don't know it yet... Or something.

[penguin_alien]

How does roleblocking interact with Faceless Moon?

Scenario A: "Roleblocker A" targets "Player B" N1. I target "Roleblocker A" N2 and "Roleblocker A" targets me N2. Am I roleblocked or does my action apply before "Roleblocker A"?
Scenario B: "Roleblocker A" targets me N1. I target "Roleblocker A" N2 and "Roleblocker A" targets player B N2. What the fuck happens here? Because I think I just created a a time paradox.

Cabd can overrule this explanation (or delete it if he thinks it divulges too much info for some reason), but for Scenario A: your action applies first, so Roleblocker A is forced to target Player B again. Scenario B: your action applies first, so Roleblocker A targets you instead of player B, which blocks any additional actions you might take that night.

[Cabd]

^Yep

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Wait, I can multi-action? Didn't even occur to me that I could.