Open 799 Chosen Mafia (Game Over)

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can’t seriously believe they are scum after their reaction BM.

[Battle Mage]

Here's an idea. How about we DON'T quickhammer next time.

i agree - it will be exLo tomorrow if username is being real.

If he’s real?

really town, and not just slow-rolling.

[Battle Mage]

You can’t seriously believe they are scum after their reaction BM.

i don't tbh, but it's not confirmed. half the players on this site slow-roll as scum.

[Battle Mage]

especially at endgame

[NorwegianboyEE]

i mean you insisted on an execution of a Chosen townie yesterday then speedhammered town today

i don't know why you think you wouldn't be suspicious at this point

because i obvtowned with my idiocy on Day 1, unless you really think that was a gambit (in which case, thanks I'm flattered!). I don't think anyone comes up smelling of roses from these day phases otherwise, and nobodies voting behaviour makes them conftown.

i'll share more thoughts tomorrow if alive.

Tbh i’m really paranoid about you. You hammered so fast today instead of letting us talk. And your riding that towncred from the dumbtell a bit hard right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is slow-rolling?

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

iamausername - 3

(DkKoba, OutWorldER, Battle Mage)

Not Voting - 2

(iamausername, NorweiganboyEE)

With 5 Alive, It Takes 3 to Eliminate

Activity Check: Day ends Post #372

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-15 23:00:00)

iamausername was eliminated...

Spoiler: Role Reveal

Welcome, iamausername, you are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Your weapon is your vote, and although you have no night actions, it is possible you are a Chosen Townie.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm your alignment by replying to this PM.

Night phase will last 24 hours.

[T-Bone]

Remaining players, you may consent to a 8 hour night phase instead by PMing me your consent. If all living players do that, Day 4 will start 8 hours from now.

[T-Bone]

By 8 hours I actually mean 8 and 1/2 because that's my work day.

[T-Bone]

NorweiganboyEE was found dead! He was a

Vanilla Townie

Spoiler: Role Reveal

Welcome, NorweiganboyEE, you are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Your weapon is your vote, and although you have no night actions, it is possible you are a Chosen Townie.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm your alignment by replying to this PM.

Vote Count

Not Voting - 3

(Battle Mage, DkKoba, OutWorldER)

With 3 Alive, It Takes 2 to Eliminate

Activity Check: Start of Day

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-17 10:00:00)

[DkKoba]

lol is someone trying to set you up BM?

[DkKoba]

just abt to go into work now but ill give the game a proper reread later

[DkKoba]

if i have a strong read that im not the chosen imma honestly just self

[OutWorldER]

if i have a strong read that im not the chosen imma honestly just self

did we ever confirm if there's only one chosen remaining scum still gets endgamed?

[DkKoba]

That's how i interpreted the rules. Scum cant endgame the chosen

[Battle Mage]

that's incorrect - I asked the Mod again during the night, the 1 remaining chosen is basically useless. We need to flip scum today to win.

[Battle Mage]

in a never-before-seen move during ExLo, I'm going to re-read the ENTIRE GAME in full before doing anything.

[DkKoba]

Omg lmao yeah i just reread the rules it says you need both alive. So as soon as ben died scum were pretty much feeling more relaxed.
BM why did you ask tho?

[Battle Mage]

the rules were pretty ambiguous. i asked on Day 2, and still hadn't got an answered. I figured there was a good chance I'd be alive today so it would matter.

i think it's possible scum didn't know the rules either

[DkKoba]

well this isnt the lylo i was hoping for. maybe i should have kept my poe to myself :S

[DkKoba]

im currently leaning outworld over you BM, mainly bc u actually hammered italiano.

[Battle Mage]

as i read back, it strikes me that if Dkkoba is town here, he could've put in a bit more effort to engage and give some views to allow himself to be sorted. likewise, if Outworld is town...his early targetting of Ben was unfortunate.

[Battle Mage]

Hey, hey.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

Spoiler: Look at me

opening-vote distancing. a classic scumbuddy move.

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh

curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.

i don't really get good vibes from this, but nothing major.

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh

curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.

im happy to answer that once people have answered the question (although i think there are probably several reasons, some more obvious than others). appreciate you know none of the people - who would you have picked?

I would've had to metadive people in order to give you a proper answer to that and as it stands I've done none of that so I can't really give you a proper answer.

again, not the best. too many words to say very little. Minor townpoints for willingness to engage. But deduct those for only engaging in a defensive way - Outworld answered my questions, but didn't ask me the same back, although he did challenge me on 1 thing.

I wouldn't have.

I would have stayed quiet a bit longer to see if there was a trail I could tag in on before casting my first vote.

This is why it's curious to me that for random initial voting, we already have people with two votes on them.

If i was scum here i wouldn't have selected you. Just sayin.

genuine question - why?

Cus i don't think you would have been my number 1 threat. Assuming SvT.

interesting - I won't comment on this yet as I actually think it would be helpful to ask this question of everyone at the outset.

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

who and what are you responding to with this, I'm somewhat confused.

Outworld immediately jumps on Benhalkum's first post (who we now know was Chosen).

keen to get everyone's answers to that question - or failing that, a good justification for why you won't answer. (spoiler: there is no good justification for that)

no

not engaged, until...

VOTE: italiano e-1

this vote came a bit out of nowhere. Dkkoba didn't seem to think Italiano was scummy - he hadn't commented on it previously, and Italiano hadn't posted since Dkkoba's last. Yet he was suddenly very excited and as conspicuous as possible, making the biggest possible show of eliminating Italiano. In this setup, if Dkkoba-town, it's a dubious play.

but what if we lolhammered scum within the first 3 hours of the game

SPEEDRUN

is this ur partner norwee

VOTE: italiano
and thats hammer

do it

why are you so concerned?

or maybe they're caught scum ggez

Does Dkkoba know Italiano is gonna flip scum? Sure looks like it. Also half-hearted attempt to set up a Norweg-elim off the back of it.

Lol not hammer goofy Koba!

But I will do this

VOTE: Koba

So eager. OMGUS

a performative style of vote, screaming "look at me". More likely a time to distance, so indicates dkkoba-scum.

ggwp

Does Dkkoba know Italiano is gonna flip scum? Sure looks like it.

what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

town points. no reason for OutWorld-scum to mourn his lost compatriot like that. at the very least it goes against basic scum instinct.

Battle Mage is my kind of guy. Don’t go after him tomorrow though. It was a simple mistake. I’d look more at Midwaybear for trying to get me to claim.

Italiano seeming confident. Not sure he'd have much faith in Outworld winning from this position, given his previous post above. Dkkoba though? he got his distancing vote in before the end, and Dkkoba also had played the part.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

overall I love the 2nd half of this post - lots of good town vibes here. Doesn't seem remotely informed, casts the net wide and isn't afraid of throwing some shade despite being all alone.

However, the first part is just copying someone else's rationale (which was actually a weak rationale anyway) and is a bit of a change of course from the initial "wtf is going on", so slightly less town.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

scum post

maybe dkkoba is just a genius town.

I am a teensy bit paranoid Dkkoba is big braining everything. But it could just be someone with slightly fake posts like Outworld. I wanna see their posts before i place votes though.

nice reads Norweg, there's scum in that solve.

ItalianoVD - 5 (benhalkum, OutWorldER, iamausername, DkKoba, Battle Mage)

I think it's probably just an early busser tbh.

so Norweg thinks it's Outworld.

We were just lucky that we speedwagoned scum. If Italiano was actually town, I think he wouldn't have been hammered. His reaction was pretty bad.
Umlaut is a weird kill yeah.

I agree with Midway's logic here. Normally these early flips on scum happen because a wagon forms, and their partners hop on late to distance/bus. which would imply Dkkoba.

nice im chosen.

slightly scummy - I think Dkkoba-scum is more likely to sell this than Dkkoba-town.

Trying to wrap my head around this current situation.

BM and Koba locktown, I agree.

If he's scum, Outworld's 2 locktowns include 1 Chosen. If Outworld-scum believes he needs to elim both Chosen to win, this is backing himself into an impossible corner. My gut is that Outworld didn't know the rules which would suggest he's town for this, but it's possible the Mod gave scum an edge.

Norwee's thought processes look similar to my own at this point so I've got a minor townlean there. I'll metadive him later to see if that's a constant throughout his games.

between the other two, Norwee seems like the obvious scum from the pre-emptive outrage about lolhammering in 72 and 82

could you explain to me the logic behind "they opposed the lolhammer so they are scummy", because that really doesn't follow for me. Especially since Umlaut was also dismissive of the hammer.

this goes for Norwee and myself, by the way.

It's either Ben or Username, I think. And Username looks to be scumhunting pretty genuinely to me so PoE tells me to vote Ben.

VOTE: benhalkum

Opens with a vote for the Chosen. Looks bad, especially as:

A. he's the only one to really target Ben this early on Day 2.
B. he's the only one who really seemed interested in Ben on Day 1.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

scummy

again, if Dkkoba-town, his reads this game have been on point. if only he'd done more to push them.

Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?

I think, out of the two possible candidates (that I see from my POV) for scum, he is the more unlikely of the two.

We eventually unpicked that OutWorld was favouring a Ben-elim at the start of Day 2, and username was a booby prize. it's not great.

Outworld -

Ben or Username in that order

, and has ruled out ever voting

me, Dkkoba. Likes Norweg too

.
Norweg -

Outworld or Username

, and has ruled out ever voting

me, Dkkoba or Midway

.
Username -

Outworld or maybe Norweg

(although one might be chosen?), and has obvtowned

me and dkkoba. Likes Ben too.

Midway - no commitment so far, just some reflections on the previous day and a lowkey attempt to downgrade my obvtowniness. implied scum is on-wagon, so assumes

Norweg-town.

Ben - nothing
Dkkoba - nothing

Some questions then:

Dkkoba - once you have answered my previous question to you, please share your reflections on the game?
Midway - please could you give me your top town/scum reads, including any locktowns from your perspective?
Ben - same as above

Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?

Ok a proposition:

We flip Ben today. If he flips Chosen, we flip Outworld tomorrow (as he is the only one pushing for a Ben-flip, and is doing so as top preference), and we can townblock username who had said he wouldn't flip Ben.

Goddammit. If Outworld is scum, everyone should've listened to me on Day 2. I clearly said Ben-chosen meant Username-town, and we should immediately flip Outworld. Y'all suck.

Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?

I think, out of the two possible candidates (that I see from my POV) for scum, he is the more unlikely of the two.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

scummy

No.

yes
VOTE: outworlder

OK IM DRUNK BUT OUTWORLD IS SCUM LETS GO

are you so good dkkoba?

ah sick, I'm at L-1.

I mean, I don't see anything that indicates that I am or am not Chosen so I have no idea if I'm actually ok with being elimm'd. I kinda want to like, keep playing, man.

I still do think it's gotta be Username or Ben in the scum and Ben is more likely from my POV.

repetitive line, begs for life, hints at being chosen. not stellar.

it's a weird situation because unless I'm Chosen a Townie elim is not purely negative town EV so like

???

I still don't follow the logic Koba and Username are using to case me though.

struggling to know what a townie would say in this situation.

VOTE: username

dkkoba not at all interested in flipping Ben, barely a mention in fact.

Hammer Ben boys.
I’ll even take some of the responsibility if they flip town.

this never happened Norweg.

In fact i think i'm just going to vote here.
VOTE: Iamausername

reading back, this is the point where the gameplan got fked up (if Outworld-scum).

id swap ben with BM but sure

bc i townread ben over BM?

the way bm be pushing me makes me really think theyre scum and im chosen

only a passive defense of Ben here. Dkkoba scum would be playing the long game anyway, so probably had to do it, so null. the targetting of me looks bad, although less bad with the Ben-chosen flip (as still possible I'm not chosen, although unlikely).

hmm is Username scum or chosen

is Norway scum or chosen

decisions I must now make.

in fact, both were neither scum or chosen. big fail.

actually fuck it, unless BM or Koba are big braining us I don't think Town can really lose.

VOTE: iamausername

this makes me think maybe Outworld-town because why the fk would he leave Dkkoba and me alive until the end otherwise? It would be really poor scumplay.

You and BM are most likely town. The scenarios in which you two are scum are incredibly far-fetched.

We can solve either of you if Username flips Chosen.

If Username flips scum then we obviously win.

Username flipping regular town means we can PoE the Chosen tommorow and win off of that.

it would be incredibly hard for town to lose here.

i sorta dig this. if Outworld is scum, give the guy some kudos.

the thing that concerns me is that BM made a plan to execute Outworld if Ben flipped Chosen, then immediately hammered me today when given the opportunity

makes that plan feel more like the old lining up miselims

nah man, i just forgot the plan. you shoulda reminded me.

What is slow-rolling?

in twilight after being killed but before a flip, pretending that you were a role you weren't (i.e. town claiming scum/scum claiming town).

[Battle Mage]

in summary, it's a tough call today. For Outworld to be scum, I have to basically believe that dkkoba had amazing reads this game, but made it more difficult by low-efforting, and Outworld's towny posts in places were feigned. For Dkkoba to be scum, I have to believe that it's a coincidence that Outworld distanced from his scumbuddy early, and was the only person who showed real effort to push a Chosen-elim (Ben). Also I haven't really commented on it, but Outworld's open today wasn't great - just trying to clarify (incorrectly) the rules on how scum can win.

I think I'm leaning towards Outworld-scum, and if wrong, I'll accept that we were unlucky with his Ben-push. Although dkkoba, your ISO man, bleh.

[DkKoba]

my pronouns are they them.