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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:22 pm

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Sirius9121 wrote:Mafia Odd-night Roleblocker x1
Mafia Even-night Neapolitian x1
Town Even-Night Vigilante x1
Town Two-shot Babysitter x1
Town One-shot Ascetic x1
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:23 pm

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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:26 pm

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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:26 pm

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this setup might be less balanced than the one I did last month, but eh..
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:31 pm

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As a secondary my initial impression is definitely that this is scumsided...:
caveat, "one-shot ascetic" isn't a thing, because ascetic is a passive modifier, but, all interpretations of what that actually means still results in a scumsided setup here.

I expect the primary reviewer S_S to agree with me.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:36 pm

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Mafia Odd-night Roleblocker x1
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Town Two-shot Babysitter x1
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所以など行方知らず未知の病巣に臥す患者達
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:36 pm

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this better?
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:38 pm

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I think one-shot ascetic is definitely legal but also definitely weird, and I wouldn't expect it to play out differently from full ascetic.

Even-night neapolitan -> night 2 neapolitan is not a change just so you know, micros don't get to night 4 without a massclaim.

Setup as is seems quite swingy. Town is hoping for exactly two extra deaths? But that night make the game go by awfully fast (in fact, I think as written it's possible for either team to win on N1).
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:39 pm

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*that
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:40 pm

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Er no, game can't end on N1 because vig is even-night. But it can end on D2.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:41 pm

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I'm editing

I mean, I'm mass editing
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:45 pm

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Mafia 1shot Bulletproof
Mafia 2shot Vanilla Cop
Town Vanilla x4
Town Watcher
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Town Indecisive Doctor
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:46 pm

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What I need is more PRs than Vanillas this game
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:03 pm

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This one's brokenly townsided. 2-shot cop + VT's vs goons is close to balanced (if boring and swingy) and having two protective roles, one of which is watcher, is massive overkill.

I probably wouldn't include a watcher in a micro at all. It just has too good a chance of completely breaking the game.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:05 pm

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Mafia 1shot Bulletproof
Mafia 2shot Vanilla Cop
Town Vanilla x4
Town 1shot Neighbourizer
Town 2shot Alignment Cop
Town Indecisive Doctor
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:13 pm

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I'm still a bit concerned about follow the cop, even if it's only for one night that can be pretty devastating to scum.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:14 pm

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In post 15, Something_Smart wrote:I'm still a bit concerned about follow the cop, even if it's only for one night that can be pretty devastating to scum.
make cop macho?
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:52 am

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I'm not sure whether the BP and Neighborizer townside or scumside the speculation, if they townside it a lot on top of the cop and doctor that'd seem like a lot to me.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:54 pm

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hm
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:25 pm

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Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof
Mafia 2-shot Vanilla Cop
Town Vanilla x4
Town 1-shot
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:34 pm

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Hider feels like a bit overkill. It probably would have been okay with neighborizer instead of hider?
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:38 pm

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eh i saw isis wasnt sure
back to neighbourizer then

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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:57 pm

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Hider is stronger than neighborizer so it was a step in the wrong direction.

I wouldn't scream about being a pass
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:15 pm

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What would be a nice change to be done?
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:07 am

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Something_Smart is your primary reviewer and indicated he found acceptable, and it definitely doesn't have issues significant enough for me throw yellow cards as a secondary reviewer.

Countering with any setups I'd prefer would be backseat driving from this position. I like being able to express whether I am satisfied or highly satisfied by a setup, but that doesn't mean it meets the threshold for continuing to suggest changes. Excessive modification of setups that have reached some form of passable is possibly bad for normal queue diversity anyway, even if I were the primary reviewer.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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