Mini Normal 2181 | College Basketball Players | Game Over

[Elements]

gg everyone

[fferyllt]

Sry for my poor play.

you played great. you really did. you scared me so much on day 5 and 6!

[skitter30]

gg everyone

Sry for my poor play.

you played very well vax


that last flurry of posts was incredibly townie and your d5 posting was probably the towniest out of everyone alive. <3

^

[DrippingGoofball]

Don't get me wrong. Despite how salty I am over how this played out, I was a huge part of the problem and why we lost. My reads were eh, my Day 2 was completely indefensible, the DGB vote was on me, losing my temper with Vax/bork/the Day 4 stallers etc. I played like garbage and deserved the loss.

I voted you out of despair as the fferyllt wagon i was started wrnt nowhere.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Vote Count 6.1

Vaxkiller(2) - notscience, fferylit
Not Voting: PookyTheMagicalBear

Vaxkiller was a

Vanilla Townie

.

A victory condition has been reached!

The game has ended in a

mafia win

!

The victors are

fferylit, bjorkerfkin, and unwnd!

[DrippingGoofball]

Good job taking your team to victory, fferyllt. The high effort Eeyore act would have me totally fooled, too. It's a good thing I was already dead and don't have to live with Vaxkiller's everlasting shame because I would have done the same.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Role PMs:

Elements, welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Skitter30, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

PookyTheMagicalBear, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

ModPizza, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Vaxkiller, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

DrippingGoofball, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181!

You are an

Town Odd Night Vanilla Cop

. The game is located here!

As a night action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you may determine if they are "vanilla" or "not vanilla".

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

petapan, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Town Roleblocker

.

As a night action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player's active abilities will be blocked that night.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

behhalkupm, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

As a night action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will receive a message from the moderator that states that you are Town.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Prism, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

As a night action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will be protected from one kill that night.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

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Fabd, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

As a night action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will be protected and roleblocked that night.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

[/quote]

fferylit, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partners Syryana and bjorkerfkin. Your Private Topic is located here!

Your team has a factional kill that may be used to eliminate one player each night.

You win if all threats to the mafia are eliminated and at least one mafia-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Syryana, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!

You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partners are fferylit and bjorkerfkin. Your Private Topic is located here!

Your team has a factional kill that may be used to eliminate one player each night.

You win if all threats to the mafia are eliminated and at least one mafia-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

bjorkerfkin, Welcome to Mini Normal 2181! The game is located here!!

You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partners are Syryana and fferylit. Your Private Topic is located here!

Your team has a factional kill that may be used to eliminate one player each night.

You win if all threats to the mafia are eliminated and at least one mafia-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

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[NoPowerOverMe]

Regarding modpizza, evidently the site meta is to allow people to replace alts in the middle of games, which is something I disagree with, but in the future games I will allow it. So my apologies to modpizza. Apparently I asked the wrong mod regarding what I should do (not implosion) so my mistake with that as well.

[NoPowerOverMe]

My last game only had 52 pages so I am impressed by the activity. Usually high activity benefits town but in this case not.

[Prism]

Thanks for modding NPOM. I enjoyed the flavor and we could be a challenging player list at times.

Any chance we could get PTs released?

[Cabd]

My understanding is that the people who have to answer for this setup are the NRG...

Also, fwiw, mod, I agree that replacing an alt with ANOTHER alt midgame is a big fucking "nope".

[skitter30]

Also npom can u ask implo to release the nrg review thread for this one?

[NoPowerOverMe]

All threads will be released once implosion is online.

My original setup was more scum sided but the reviewers demanded more town power twice. But in the end it ended up being balanced.

[fferyllt]

I don't think it was balanced.

None of the confusion that could have helped scum in this setup happened, and game balance really needs to at least take into account that the worst of all possible worlds can happen for either or both teams.

I feel like scum pulling out a win gives some unearned validation to what the NRG approved here and I'm sad about that.

[Cabd]

But in the end it ended up being balanced.

This is 100000000% not the case, just because scum won doesn't mean it was balanced.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Well, I mean I would like to think that the reviewers know better than me what is balanced.

[fferyllt]

NPOM, one thing I wanted to suggest for future games was increasing the length of the pregame. There was less than an hour between scum getting our role PMs and the game day starting. It would have really been nice to have at least a few hours to strategize an approach to the game.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I will take that into consideration.

[fferyllt]

Well, I mean I would like to think that the reviewers know better than me what is balanced.

Yeah, the ultimate game balance isn't on you at all.

I'm looking forward to reading the original design and basis for the changes!

[borkjerfkin]

Was no avenue for scum controlling the night game. Had to hope town did certain things and yes, scum could influence bad narratives in the day phase about balance and mod wifom, but i dont think that a good setup makes.

Dgb was basically our PR since it soft cleared the last scum if used on them. that should be our job.

Agree that this is 100% on the review group and not the mod.

[NoPowerOverMe]

My original setup:
8x VT
1x odd night vanilla cop
1x 2 shot roleblocker

Mafia:
2x goon
1x rolecop

[borkjerfkin]

Yeah there was some happy medium there for sure.

Your current setup plus a rolecop is probably worse for us because dgb guilties it.

[borkjerfkin]

Am really surprised they were ok w full jailkeeper plus full roleblocker. That is so so swingy

[fferyllt]

That town does look a little light, even against 3 goons.

[DrippingGoofball]

Odd night vanilla cop was a curse on me.

I was labeled a PR hunter.

But I learned my lesson, next time I have a scummy town role, I will have to lie.

My error was telling the truth.