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[Firebringer]

peta if given the choice what is the order we yeet in this thread from first playaer to yourself (last)

i don't know anymore, can i take a raincheck on this

sure. ill ask u tomorrow or monday

[petapan]

now, granted, since stepping away from the thread i figured i might just be overthinking it

Why is Pooky not with A50/Spiffeh

i kind of don't think pooky would go to the levels he's gone to as scum, or at least i hope he wouldn't

[petapan]

at some point i did just want to kill like deacon dandelion lld and spiffeh though lol

midway might be +scum if pooky is town though

[Firebringer]

my list right now is:
Pooky > A50 > Spiffeh > Midwaaybear > Dandellion > petapan > LLD > Deacon > Me

[Deacon Blues]

i believe(d) your continued aliveness was going to be harmful and prevent scum eliminations

You're really knocking it out of the park too if you're town
See that's not a really nice thing to say, is it?

How is that helpful other than to annoy me? You should care about our alignment and it seems like you don't other than labeling us Plus Ee Vee Scum® but like you can't even point to a spot where we're like leading town off the cliff other than what, ffery was trying to explain to you her tenuous read on a slot that didn't align with yours?

-b

everyone makes mistakes but i'm not going to take it personally. stuff like this is offputting and just makes me want to kill you regardless though. (not that i have the ability to make that happen!)


i care about your alignment but i've been cycling through everyone trying to figure things out, i don't actually have good reasons to townread you, and at some point in conversing with you i started to get a bad gut feeling. i don't think she really explained a read though, i wanted some expression of thought that looked spontaneous and not constructed but didn't get it

You didn't get it because I felt lost and really wanted to sync with bork and see if it's just me or if we're both confused af.

Have you played enough with Spiffeh to have an opinion on his reaction to being one of the leading wagons? I'm townreading that and his posting in general in both threads, but I don't know if I should be.

[petapan]

Which scum eliminations do you think we're preventing? Is this about us specifically or the "significant number of you" in your post 8429?

in particular i felt like you were trying to talk me down from my suspicion of spiffeh in a weaselly way where you weren't outright defending but rather trying to divert my attention, if he is scum i would be calling for you to go after him


i guess the tinfoil i cooked up was that the random largelyafk disconnected people are town and scum are just banding together and running things

[petapan]

You didn't get it because I felt lost and really wanted to sync with bork and see if it's just me or if we're both confused af.

Have you played enough with Spiffeh to have an opinion on his reaction to being one of the leading wagons? I'm townreading that and his posting in general in both threads, but I don't know if I should be.

if that's the case, sorry, it felt like you were evading me

no i have no clue, don't know him at all

[petapan]

now i'm starting to think pure vt claims might just be town by setup spec and maybe roles are alignment agnostic

[petapan]

theres what, 2 flipped vts and claimed ones are firebringer, deacon, gypyx, and (presumably) pooky? 3 vts per side seems a plausible number

[Deacon Blues]

peta feels utterly townspewy on this page

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i know i'm like the fucking



right now but in the moment that's where i'm at and i get HP's take on this read more than ever

-b

[Deacon Blues]

borkffery i just need to say that your approach to reading me / your approach to me this game literally makes no sense to me

i utterly don't know what to say to this and my layers are peeling away and revealing a defeated husk

so go ahead and lay on me why you think that if nothing else so i can adjust my approach in the future because i feel like the more i try the more turned around i get and the more people rail against my approach

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i'm not sure it particularly makes you scum but i am utterly baffled

at this point i'm not sure if i'm more worried about the scum saying we're worthless or the town saying we're worthless

i'm willing to engage w/ the latter post game on what went wrong

-b

[Dandelion Wine]

LLD when you come back can you let me know if you're still feeling the peta scumread given what all went down, and also if you are kind of break down more the whole "playing politics" thing you mentioned?

[Deacon Blues]

but just like: what have you/dandelion been right abt this game? i don't mean this pejoratively or like trying to throw shade.

what's anyone demonstrably been right about this game? I think maybe this is the major disconnect i have with everyone calling me shit is that like there hasn't been a whole lot of countermovement to any of the wagons we have going that i feel responsible for screwing over. maybe you have a different take.

i can point to several different things that show me my view of the gamestate has been p on point for quite a while now. i know we're wrong, and i can tell you where we're wrong. i don't know exactly what the 'right' thing to do is rn, but i can point to several things that i think would muck things abt more than they currently are. and, well, very little that i've been said about the gamestate over the past few days has been wrong, so i don't have much reason to think i'm on the wrong track right now either. i feel like a lot of what you (collectively) have been trying to do have been off, so i'm struggling to understand why i should give much credence to your reads or understanding of what's going on rn

and like once again i've calmed down from a few days ago. i'm not trying to say this in an attacking / perjorative fashion. i just mean very practically if i have reason to believe i'm more on track than you are, i'm struggling to see why i should listen to you very much, and i want to try to get us on the same page because i think your slot is very probably town so it's better for us all to be on the same page than for us to be fighting with each other or for us to be pushing competing worldviews because we can't both be right

so i want to try to resolve the differences and figure out where we're drifting apart and talk it through and try to get things back on track, cuz i think if i can get you (i.e. borkffery) to agree with me, things probably get a bit better
(that is probably egocentric of me but whatever)

i promise i am utterly all ears at this particular moment; i would like to engage with you on what you think i'm wrong about and i will treat anything you say in completely good faith to converse about.
And just to be clear: i'm not in a lobbying mode. I never have been. ffery never has been. If i found someone reliably sheepable i would do it.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Which scum eliminations do you think we're preventing? Is this about us specifically or the "significant number of you" in your post 8429?

in particular i felt like you were trying to talk me down from my suspicion of spiffeh in a weaselly way where you weren't outright defending but rather trying to divert my attention, if he is scum i would be calling for you to go after him


i guess the tinfoil i cooked up was that the random largelyafk disconnected people are town and scum are just banding together and running things

I meta'd 3 recent spiffeh games night 1 working with Nacho and Tammy on their forwards thread reads. I came away thinking that his play felt pretty close to his town games (especially the one where he wasn't a mason trying to be a little underwhelming). Then I iso'd scum-him a few days ago in the pooky vs fl game and this game doesn't feel like that one unless I'm just blind. He was high on stances but low on reasoning for the stances, if that makes sense.

I was hoping to compare meta notes with Cabd again on the recent game, which is why I was reluctant to go into that read, at least the meta part of it. Didn't want to telegraph my findings to him.

By reputation Spiffeh's a formidable player - but not one I have any experience playing with.

[Deacon Blues]

wanna level set real quick here before i may have to bail for the night here but:

- fl was town
- titus was going to flip town
- there was going to be max 1 scum in titus/ss/pk
- the whole plan to rid the forwards thread of scum wasn't going to work and was going to be a wild goose chase and waste of time

I'm not at odds with most of this. I thought FL was probtown and titus was town and i know I have posts to both effect.
ss/pk sure, was a misflip; i was involved in that, granted. and it was wrong; don't really mind the lover kill on ss i guess but you're utterly correct in that it wasn't scum.
totally agree on the last point as well; i'm more in the camp of use it to activate PRs and at this point we've pretty much done that for most people claiming them. Will grant that there was a lot of weird friction in getting to that point and a lot of people were driving the "remove scum" plan but I agree that it was a pipe dream.

so let's try and focus on areas where we differ because if that's the basis that you're working off of in that my view of the gamestate differs from yours we're not gonna get anywhere here.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

and for the fact that dandelion/you have been controlling a lot of the game - at least from my pov, it feels like a lot has gone down in the hoods that has been hidden (on purpose or not) from everyone else, and it has directed quite a lot of how later days has gone. in particular the spiffeh/sb9 turnstile. it still doesn't make sense to me honestly why there were so many machinations for that to have happened, or what benefit we particularly got out of it. to me, if cabd was town, i feel like we'd have seen more pro-town reads, conclusions, or mechanical outputs than we actually have. i'm aware that this is some level of bop, but he's been directing a lot of this game, and i just still don't see the +town purpose to a lot of what he's doing. maybe i'm just being blind and so i odn't see it. but like maybe you can help me here, by explaining how he's been approaching the game in a +town fashion? like what was he doing to concretely help solve the game in those hoods?

agree that this is worth talking about and involves some collection on my part.

-b

[petapan]

i know i'm like the fucking



right now but in the moment that's where i'm at and i get HP's take on this read more than ever

-b

being consistent would be scummier tbh

[Deacon Blues]

I kinda want a reality check on Spiffeh

Wispy cold meta is scary and I'd love to have someone I trust and who has experience with Spiffeh to come out with a definitive case there. Not sure that person even exists in this game.

[Firebringer]

I kinda want a reality check on Spiffeh

Wispy cold meta is scary and I'd love to have someone I trust and who has experience with Spiffeh to come out with a definitive case there. Not sure that person even exists in this game.

I probably have the most experience with spiffey. Yet I don't think u want me to hard case him

[Deacon Blues]

Why wouldn't I?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I still want Peta. I've kind of taken my break and mentally refreshed myself and I'm still convinced Peta is scum and needs to die.

[Dandelion Wine]

cmd shutdown -r /f

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a good amount of experience with Spiffeh, having been scum with him and town with him and town against him and scum against him.

But also meta is trash so