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Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:05 pm

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You don't see the forest for the trees Kaz. It's easy to say 'look! we interacted!' but how much of that was meaningful? How much of it determined a read. Something I could look back and account for. Answer is not many. The good news about 2ndchosen is that he doesn't have a lot of posts. I'll try not to retread already touched ground (e.g my posts on D3 about them).

Now, I wasn't around D1 so there is some missing context there, but I want to ask another simple question. How much of 2ndchosen's independent thoughts have come from a decision without an alibi? Maybe that doesn't make sense. How much of his decisions are made surrounding context already provided. How much of 2ndchosen's thoughts actually reflect on the thread and what is going on right now. 2ndchosen has intentionally chosen a thinking man's position, but what exactly is he thinking about? It has no variance. It has no meaning. Dann, you say 'well, it looks like they're considering the options' but that in itself is just decision paralysis. Something I believe 2ndchosen is very afraid of. Stopgap-- The only,
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reason that 2ndchosen has decided that I am scum is simply because I was the first to do it. Go look at D3. Go look at D2 and how he townleans me as long as I leave him alone (hint: my focus was on Gamma that phase). Hesitance shouldn't come at the expense of simply not doing anything. I've considered the thought maybe we don't agree but I feel like Kaz has a point actually, that the attempts to interact were meaningless. A complete disconnect. I do however think those questions and things he was waiting on clearly show he has waited on nothing, which is why I chose not to directly respond to them.

It's a bit intentional on my part. I wanted to see if 2ndchosen would pursue these thoughts without being spoonfed, but instead all he has to show is how much of a perpetual catch-up he's stuck in. I'm very tired of it. Let's rewind again.

Alchemist clearly got wagoned and clearly died. What did 2ndchosen get out of his Alchemist vote on D1? Who knows, not even himself. There is no willingness in their words, there is no call to action. They're each made from an outward perspective,
almost as if he doesn't really have to care what he says
. This feeling is exacerbated by his
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vote that day. He made this vote at #299! Literally didn't move it and just happened to be on the wagon of choice. I mean, that in itself is not scummy. It's the intent behind the lack of motion. He had a clear directed read on Alchemist and just never did anything with it. The one question he made towards Alchemist is so milquetoast in his #820. This becomes a trend the more you pay attention. Let's look at D2. Refer back to what I said earlier. Where is 2ndchosen now? I'll spoil it for you. He's saying a bunch of shit he'll never follow-up on in his #911. He places a vote onto NSG and does almost the same fucking thing he did with Alchemist. Just. It's all (hopefully) implied passivity.

My argument is not that you need to be aggressive or confident to be town. Scum can very well push mislims or pretend to under the guise of confidence. My argument is that he has done nothing to be considered merely passive or thinking about the gamestate. I am willing to go further than this but I almost lost this post as my computer just about crashed on me, but luckily Firefox saved my ass so you there you go. Not a very dramatic finish.
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Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:09 pm

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Fun fact: I screenshotted what I posted now unfinished on my phone
just in case
I had to retype it.

I actually had another thought as I was thinking about gamestate and whatnot. He kept telling me 'well, where's your gamestate read?' 'You're all about that gamestate..where are the pieces on the board?' Like..is that all you have to say? And you're gonna scumread me because I didn't like, answer you sufficiently or something? The burden of proof has been on you from the moment we began our conversations, yet you just wanna skirt around the issue and then dig your nose further into the 'im catching up' book when we should be past that point. Literally only decided I'm scum because he has to at this point, and nothing else. He has no conviction. He has no grace. This kong. Has a scummy face.
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Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:52 am

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Vote count 4.03

with 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2021-02-01 03:00:00).


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unwnd [1]:
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Kazyan [1]:
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~ prodding 2ndchosen1
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Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:13 am

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thank you unwnd

I'll do one last look at the game when I get home tonight
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Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:56 am

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I'm preparing a wall o' text too, but I'll wait for 2ndchosen1 to answer Datisi's prod before saying anything, and will shelve the wall if Dann makes his final decision before I can post it.

I agree that the last look at the game should, in fact, be the last look. If we hold off on voting for much longer, the remaining time in the day will approach one prod interval.
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Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:41 am

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yeah I’ve stalled out the game long enough
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Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:27 pm

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I'm sorry if this is wrong

VOTE: unwnd
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Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:34 pm

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Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:34 pm

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I poured my heart out on that read please reconsider
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Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:37 pm

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UNVOTE: unwnd

okay unwnd my problem here is that all that scum read really does is make me paranoid about a 2ndchosen1/unwnd world

like I can't bring myself to scum read Kazyan
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Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:38 pm

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I don't gain anything making a case out of my partner. Name one time you've seen a mate case their mate in a Xylo?
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Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:42 pm

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I wanted to make that case not necessarily to sharpen my knife, rather show I don't have a partner. I'm not sitting here trying to win with another mate. I didn't have to reveal so much information or dig so deep knowing there was a backup. I could've just sat on my own words and be like 'K it's kaz and like someone else' and be all intentionally vague
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Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:45 pm

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I mean, that doesn't feel particularly compelling considering this game has divided pretty neatly into unwnd and Lunar vs. Kazyan and 2ndchosen1.

Kazyan has already stated he'd shoot Lunar upon you flipping scum so I feel like this is the make or break flip for you (although that's true regardless of alignment)
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Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:49 pm

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In post 1637, Dannflor wrote:I feel like this is the make or break flip for you (although that's true regardless of alignment)
That right there should kinda show my intentions are pure. I'm neither 2ndchosen or Lunar's partner. I scumread one of them and I townread the other. I don't want to waver on this decision. I guess the only thing I'd feel fucking dumb about is misreading Lunar but this time I think I know better and there was a lot of townpings just even in their early ISO that made me think they're town. Meanwhile, just ISO'ing 2ndchosen makes it worse for me.
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Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:51 pm

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Like, if I die I don't even get the chance. The game just ends and all my appealing has been because I know this. This wouldn't be my approach as scum
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Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:56 pm

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unwnd is attacking 2ndchosen1 not to show the lack of a partner, but because unwnd has run out of options with which to attack me. The options have run out because you've found the proof, in my behaviors, that I am town. So 2ndchosen1 is the last resort of a losing scumteam.

Will still wait for 2ndchosen1's input before walling, though.
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Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:59 pm

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honestly right now I'm just trawling through your meta unwnd to see if you ever use AtE like this as scum
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Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:00 pm

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No I'm pretty sure it's just because I scumread you and you've driven this false narrative to appropriate your own thread position
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Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:01 pm

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In post 1641, Dannflor wrote:honestly right now I'm just trawling through your meta unwnd to see if you ever use AtE like this as scum
You're kinda doing me dirty calling it that, like yes I have emotions but it's not to persuade you, my immediate response was to post a crying face lmao I'm sorry
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Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:05 pm

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yeah sorry I don't mean everything

I'm just wary because I've manipulated by that type of stuff in f3 before
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Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:06 pm

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In post 1116, unwnd wrote:I'm pretty certain where the shot came from/who did it but prefer not to reveal it

No this isn't a funny way of saying I did it
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Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:08 pm

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I don't consider that a crumb, it's just me being cheeky with my role
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Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:09 pm

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I'm starting to wonder if it even matters at this point tbh, because 2ndchosen1 still hasn't responded to the prod, and I know what timezone he's in IRL. He's probably going to miss the replacement deadline, and if that happens, we might end up with a no-elim because I doubt the replacement would be willing to make a snap decision.
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Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:20 pm

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Dann you're making my ass clench lol
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Post Post #1649 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:24 pm

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lol I feel bad

I really need to make a decision so I can do this homework that's already late but

I can't stop rereading this game

I've changed my mind I hate being IC
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