Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Dumb and Dumber]

I feel like I already explained this? which is that if u were not inducted yet into the hood then u couldn't safely start hard bussing the bomb at start of day, and therefore I was a safe option?

bc either u would get a free elim OR you could always pivot to a bomb!bus once the day had progressed and once u were in the hood. but u wouldn't wanna get locked into bussing the bomb from the start of day and then have to pivot off weirdly halfway through if you still weren't hooded by then

i mean are you talking abt the universe where i'm the day2 inductee?

[Green Crayons]

Setup doesn't clarify when the neighborizer effect takes place, only when it needs to happen.

[Dumb and Dumber]

i had actually asked notsci cuz i was confused and he said (if i understood correctly):

- if the hood chooses someone during the day, it happens immediately
- if the day ends before someone gets chosen, it's rng'd post-flip and they get added to the hood then

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Based on the general trend I see in setups (disclaimer: not a mech expert by any means), I don’t really think that a recruiting role would be an immediate day-role, in the same way that I don’t really think dayvigs are very common

but mena’s argument makes less nonsense than it did before if he thinks this is how it works

pedit: hmm I assumed skitter also misunderstood the reasoning behind mena’s argument due to the role miscommunication. but now it doesn’t seem like that.

[Green Crayons]

weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?

[Green Crayons]

i obviously did not ask these questions privately because I was the OG recruiter, and decided to blindly use the role

[Menalque]

I feel like I already explained this? which is that if u were not inducted yet into the hood then u couldn't safely start hard bussing the bomb at start of day, and therefore I was a safe option?

bc either u would get a free elim OR you could always pivot to a bomb!bus once the day had progressed and once u were in the hood. but u wouldn't wanna get locked into bussing the bomb from the start of day and then have to pivot off weirdly halfway through if you still weren't hooded by then

i mean are you talking abt the universe where i'm the day2 inductee?

yea

I mean if u were the D1 inductee then I guess u could start out bussing the bomb if scum, but I prob wouldn't induct u on D1 and so I guess I was expecting others wouldn't either

[Dumb and Dumber]

although now that i'm rereading it's a little confusing and maybe i misunderstood when they get added

but the choosing who to add flip is a day action
i'm not sure when the actual adding part happens

pedit i asked notsci as a result of mena posting that theory originally because i realized i didn't understand the timeline
i thought he was talking abt me being the day1 inductee, didn't realize he was talking abt day2

[Daenerys and Dragons]

.... you think the third scum was bussing a bomb!gamma in order to stay off the murder wagon?

- Daenerys

oh hmmm you're right. then like two scum on MC? gamma + scomeone else?
i didn't actually think through all the implicatiosn ig yet lol

~ skitteR

[Dumb and Dumber]

weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?

idk
it is possible i misunderstood but that is my understanding of the timeline for when things happen

[Daenerys and Dragons]

skitter are you townreading infinity/why is he not in that pool

- Daenerys

ehhhhh not as much anymore as i was yesterday, his positioning is not great too

i was listing the people on teh gamma wagon (i htink there's at least one scum there) but we can add him to the suspect pool too

~ skitteR

[Dumb and Dumber]

lilith what don't you like abt those?

[Daenerys and Dragons]

- trying to push gamma as bomb
- while also pushing the people on his wagon as scum
- weird progression on infinity - I straight up didn’t read him as town ever. what did you and auro townread about him D1?

[Daenerys and Dragons]

reasons why I don’t think catboi is the bomb

1)

Spoiler: infinity posts about shadow

Shadow, why was lilith saying "can we talk about" in 116 scummy but murder saying "can we talk about skitter" not?

Missed this

Uhh I missed this actually, but I don't mind Murder since he thinks there might be value in pushing skitter a bit and seemed content with letting that play out and didn't like you guys switching focus

I like shadow for town, this post and 149 feel like trying to explain gut reads

@lilith 121 is maybe slightly scum-indicative in general, cause it makes sense for scum to lash back there, but eh

this post and 149 feel like trying to explain gut reads

To explain this better, I feel like scum would feel more obligated to address the apparent "contradiction" I brought up in 142 but instead he's just saying what he thinks

Using words gang

Don’t see how 154 isn’t exactly what you said it isn’t.

I don’t think 154 is indicative either way but I’m not seeing how it assuages concerns.

The best way I can explain it is that it's framed as "here's what I thought about murder" and not "here's why I'm not contradicting myself"

These infinity posts feel like he’s possibly TMIing town!shadow, overexplaining reasons he thinks shadow is towny

2)

I don’t think this is something that scum!infinity says about scum!catboi

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

let's try this out.

This is the first vote on murder I think? It's possible catboi comes in, thinks he needs to bus murder, then sees an opportunity to start a different wagon, but not super occam's razor-y. I also want to stick with my shadow TR.

3) GC previously said catboi has been disgustingly townie. I’m fine with this assessment and also think catboi has been towny. And I think I trust GC’s read, since at most one of them is scum - this is either a genuine read from town!GC or GC is scum and catboi is town anyway.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I have plans to write one for every slot but I’m not at a computer / will be busy for a few hours

[catboi]

weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?

Or if they're nightkilled. I guess then there are no more recruits? That seems more scumsided than I thought.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

the neighborhood doesn’t matter anymore, we just need to find the bomb and kill them.

[Menalque]

I have plans to write one for every slot but I’m not at a computer / will be busy for a few hours

you're doing one on why every slot isn't the bomb? looking forward to mine! glad you came around lili

[Dumb and Dumber]

- trying to push gamma as bomb
- while also pushing the people on his wagon as scum
- weird progression on infinity - I straight up didn’t read him as town ever. what did you and auro townread about him D1?

Gotta like do work now so i'll circle back to this

But i still think mena is the bomb

Later!

[Green Crayons]

the neighborhood doesn’t matter anymore, we just need to find the bomb and kill them.

yeah this is just mechanics discussion which is NAI or even helpful really at the point, but honestly im being lazy because i'm not making it to elim-or-lose (have we replaced LYLO with another easy to use acronym yet?) and plus I think the best associative tells are already in the thread just waiting for juicy review

[Daenerys and Dragons]

juicy review

will you be providing any juicy review

[Green Crayons]

weird if whoever is picked to be neighborized is eliminated, regardless of when it goes into effect. then there would be no recruiter?

Or if they're nightkilled. I guess then there are no more recruits? That seems more scumsided than I thought.

yeah I remember scanning the setup and thinking there were some open questions about what happens if the recruiter dies at some point. i think there are fair and neutral mechanics that could be used so that there is always a recruiter, but not necessarily a single right answer, so maybe in the future this part of the setup would need to be made explicit

[Green Crayons]

juicy review

will you be providing any juicy review

not particularly inclined to do so tbh, but happy to Statler and Waldorf some other people's thoughts

[catboi]

the neighborhood doesn’t matter anymore, we just need to find the bomb and kill them.

Well, strictly speaking, the original recruit is still conftown but there's 0 reason to talk about that out in the open

[Daenerys and Dragons]

juicy review

will you be providing any juicy review

not particularly inclined to do so tbh, but happy to Statler and Waldorf some other people's thoughts

do you want to give input on my catboi thoughts