Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but tenet was completely different because I knew I had to ram something through before the town realized that part of "focus fire one side of the game" means you kill every1 coming out of the turnstile.

that's not the same situation as here

[implosion]

then why dont you vote NM

because i need stakeholders to make sure it's seven consecutive posts

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I know I personally would have a lot of trouble as scum doing the kind of thing Pooky is doing here of being this hyper and aggressive out of the gate after replacing in to the lead wagon.

hyper aggression is in my blood though :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

then why dont you vote NM

because i need stakeholders to make sure it's seven consecutive posts

what is love but a leap of faith?

[implosion]

it just makes it hard to get an accurate read because I don't really have access to the kind of thought processes as scum that go into doing that kind of thing.

[Bridgeburners]

ok he's at 4 since infinity unvoted.
i'm gonna double check with mena in an attempt to Minimize Hydra Dissonance (tm) but will prob switch to pooky

pedit i literally have seen scum-pooky do exactly the sort of thing he's doing here, being hyper and aggresive out of the gate (tbf there i don't think he was actually the leading wagon but very easily could have been in that shitty gamestate). like he's doing the same thing again in exactly the same way.

pedit2 ok but here you're acting like you need to ram something through before town decides to do something silly like flip scum-pooky

~ skitteR

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um i had like 1 vote on me in tenet lol

[implosion]

another current mood is eh, sechyd is probably actually just scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pedit2 ok but here you're acting like you need to ram something through before town decides to do something silly like flip scum-pooky

i replaced into the leading wagon slot with 24 hours to go to deadline on d1 in which town looks apathetic and just wants to get a flip and get going

i have a green role pm

my play is entirely consistent with that mindset

[Bridgeburners]

um i had like 1 vote on me in tenet lol

ok but that's not my point and you know it

implo i can vibe with ur current mood

~ skitteR

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

another current mood is eh, sechyd is probably actually just scum.

is sechyd the gyp hydra?

i agree with that tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but that's not my point and you know it

implo i can vibe with ur current mood

~ skitteR

i mean this is several levels more toned down than Tenet aggression :3

[Bridgeburners]

pooky do u actually, like, have a scumread on implo or ... ?

also do u have a read on me?

pedit true but that also does not mitigate my point

~ skitteR

[PenguinPower]

Oh boy - what if all the greens are town.

Something to contemplate.

Ngl-bad look for you to get me on a wagon that I was already on that you weren’t on but seemingly thought you were on?

I knew I wasn't on the wagon.

I didnt know you were on the wagon because i didnt read the vote count before lobbying for your vote

Riiight - but why are you lobbying for them when you aren’t even on the wagon? That’s the easiest vote to lobby for.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've read 21 pages of the game so far,

implo - sechydra are the people I sus the most right now.

I don't have a fully formed read on skitter/mean - its mostly at town-lean

I TR penguin

I think implo red flip spews Isis/Shirou/Peta not-mafia

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Riiight - but why are you lobbying for them when you aren’t even on the wagon? That’s the easiest vote to lobby for.

my thought about votes are that it's not really relevant and I haven't fully re-read the game yet.

i also wanted to hammer, then i remembered NM is here so its like +1 vote on each wagon.

[Bridgeburners]

I'm fine with going for Aaron if it has the votes. Also petapan's 1712 is a very good post.

Unvote

VOTE: Aaron

this feels like a scum post

is there anything more to the implo read than this?

i need to bounce so please y'all don't do something silly like let pooky force through an implo wagon

~ skitteR

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is there anything more to the implo read than this?

i need to bounce so please y'all don't do something silly like let pooky force through an implo wagon

~ skitteR

unvote

i'll even unvote him in good faith for you

there was the TR he had of scip which felt hollow - he didn't examine the two finished scip games where scip solo won as mafia in a newbie game - I don't like the inexperience factor in his scip TR for that reason.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

to elaborate:

Scip has 2 finished games on site

1 where he is town and eliminated

another where he is mafia and wins as the sole survivor.

I would think someone actually looking up scip meta would be reading both isos and comparing them to scip iso this game - rather he just says scip is inexperienced and unlikely to be able to make such plays as mafia - which is silly considering the only completed game scip has on site as mafia he won as sole survivor at the end - implying he does have the chops to go the distance.

[implosion]

to elaborate:

Scip has 2 finished games on site

1 where he is town and eliminated

another where he is mafia and wins as the sole survivor.

I would think someone actually looking up scip meta would be reading both isos and comparing them to scip iso this game - rather he just says scip is inexperienced and unlikely to be able to make such plays as mafia - which is silly considering the only completed game scip has on site as mafia he won as sole survivor at the end - implying he does have the chops to go the distance.

This is probably fair from a logic standpoint - my thought process probably went "Scipio's play kind of looks like noobtown -> oh look he only has like two completed games -> guess he's noobtown." Him winning as sole scum one game does potentially mitigate that to some degree but I'd need to actually do work to figure that out which I'm not gonna do right now at least.

I also was annoyed by someone calling someone else townish for being new when they were significantly less new than scipio, or something like that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Scip looks like a noob off join date and play style and that’s a kind of lazy read I would expect from scum with knowledge of his alignment - I think town would click on his topics, see the mafia PT and then take a look at his completed scum game - read the iso and result and be like hmmm, this dude ain’t half bad.

[implosion]

i think that's more lazy/thorough indicative than town/scum indicative. I usually look at games from the perspective of trying to find town primarily, looking for reasons to townread people and then auditing myself later. Scipio to me felt like the kind of read of someone who is very obviously noob town in the kind of way where i don't really understand why people were suspicious that I've seen in other games and I kind of stopped really thinking about him deeply at that point; he just made the most sense as that. The only time I looked at his topic list was when I was comparing him to i think ben in their relative experience and I didn't really feel the need to look more deeply than that to make the comparison, and that's where I got that he doesn't have many games from.

Have you examined the game where he played as scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I find laziness more likely from a scum townbinning a noob!town than a town town!binning someone they don't have knowledge of.

I've skimmed his ISO from the scum!game and tonally I felt there were some differences - he feels a lot more careful and his thoughts are more fleshed out in the scum!game whereas this game felt much more off-the-cuff and spammy.

[implosion]

i'm usually pretty fast to townbin people early on, just in practice. We haven't played together and I can definitely see why that kind of laziness could be scum indicative for people that aren't me or in general but it simply isn't for me, I think (or it is but happens to be wrong in this case, possibly).

Did you skim the ISO from the scum!game after I asked, or before I made 2146?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I did it before and re skimmed to remember.