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can the suicide bomber bomb anyone after its death? (like a vengeful shot)

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if not, we may be able to goad the bomber into suiciding by leaving our top suspects dangling deliciously on E-1 for a while. if the tension is especially palpable, the bomber will surely crumble.
scum would HATE to miss out on a bombing by being hammered first.

I support this strat!

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actually, that strategy may be playing with fire, as the setup is symmetrical with the inclusion of an IC. we don't want the innocent babby ripping the cord prematurely.

I think it's still good, I think IC prematurely claiming is not as big a loss for good as suicide bomber suiciding early is for evil.

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can the suicide bomber bomb anyone after its death? (like a vengeful shot)

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if not, we may be able to goad the bomber into suiciding by leaving our top suspects dangling deliciously on E-1 for a while. if the tension is especially palpable, the bomber will surely crumble.
scum would HATE to miss out on a bombing by being hammered first.

Why would we want to let the bomber bomb instead of just hammering them?

I'm assuming the premise is (and if not, it's my premise) that not all the people in E-1 would be hammered.

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Yon didn't say anything about the ic you were talking about giving the bomber a chance to bomb before being quickhammered.

literally one post after #16 i realised the symmetrical dilemmas of the IC & bomber.

i was thinking out loud.

I know but like I think it's an odd thing to think out loud that we should make sure the scum bomber gets a chance to bomb.

I don't like this scum read.

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VOTE: ythan

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MARU! <3 best chonki catto!

I have got no clue why you lot are trying to mechanics the bomb. They boom when they boom.

The point is to try and get "when they boom" to be less profitable for evil.

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Yon didn't say anything about the ic you were talking about giving the bomber a chance to bomb before being quickhammered.

literally one post after #16 i realised the symmetrical dilemmas of the IC & bomber.

i was thinking out loud.

I know but like I think it's an odd thing to think out loud that we should make sure the scum bomber gets a chance to bomb.

I don't like this scum read.

What are you referring to as a scum read?

The part where you say you think something is odd.
Did you mean odd in a NAI sense?

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Yon didn't say anything about the ic you were talking about giving the bomber a chance to bomb before being quickhammered.

literally one post after #16 i realised the symmetrical dilemmas of the IC & bomber.

i was thinking out loud.

I know but like I think it's an odd thing to think out loud that we should make sure the scum bomber gets a chance to bomb.

I don't like this scum read.

What are you referring to as a scum read?

The part where you say you think something is odd.
Did you mean odd in a NAI sense?

I meant odd in an I'm asking you a question sense.

Yeah, but you're asking a question based on thinking something Hoopla did was odd, right?
If you don't think it being odd was alignment indicative in any way, why did you ask about it at all?

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VOTE: mena
Sell me on why mare is scum!

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an interesting thing about this setup is the goon is a pseudo-godfather à la vengeful 5p.

if we elim the goon first, it essentially vanilla-ises the suicide bomber.

we should find the goon first.

VOTE: Vanderscamp

This is a serious vote, and I aint telling any of you why.

Vanderscamp and Menalque, PG4 solve from an idiot

Who's with me?

If not, convince me why. Hoopla is town, Ythan is probstown.

Not a lot I can say to this, whatever your reasoning is, it's wrong!

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Then convince me!
Do things and stuff!
Why am I wrong? How am I wrong? What's your thoughts on Mena at the moment?

I obviously don't know why or how you're wrong since you haven't given your reasoning!
I know that whatever it is, it is wrong, since I know my own alignment, but that's not really useful.

Mena is null, they gave some reads that I mildly agree with, but I don't think those reads would have been hard to fake as scum either so I'm not giving any cred to them.

I have mild reads that Ythan was scum and hoopla is towny but I don't feel good about either of those reads, I think the hoopla one in particular was more me reading the thread and trying to come up with a read after not getting anything than a read that actually happened organically.

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VOTE: Vanderscamp

This is a serious vote, and I aint telling any of you why.

If this is a bus, though I still approve

VOTE: Vanderscamp

I don't think menal seems super non-chalant. Dunno what to make of it

Is menal usually super non chalant?

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can we keep vander around for a while? i like it when people agree with my plans.

we can elim him if everyone promises to placate me & let me make more plans tomorrow.

I like the first half of this

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can we keep vander around for a while? i like it when people agree with my plans.

we can elim him if everyone promises to placate me & let me make more plans tomorrow.

I’m also gonna need to hear ythan, vanders, and hoopla justify their votes

My Ythan vote wasn't doing anything so I picked mostly randomly between you and mare

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VOTE: infinity
Done

I think what mena had to say last page was fairly good

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Sorry!
Still here

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Will get caught up soon

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And now some food for thought.

Mare is the only one who has been ran up to L-1 and none of the other wagong that have been formed are sticking. Let's talk and think about that for a moment

It's possible this is indicative but I'm pretty wary of putting much faith in voting analysis in a game where there are only two wolves.
A wagon not sticking would normally imply that the person isn't a wolf, but in this game, if the wagon is a wolf, there's just one other person in the game who is trying to not kill the wagon, and there's a good chance they weren't on the wagon in the first place, so the towns not moving off the wagon doesn't make the wagon good.
I think lack of strong wagons on other candidates is going to be slightly more relevant, since there's the argument that wolves can always just stay on a wagon they like, but it doesn't take too much for wolves to actually be doing this and random towns to be moving away (or wolves who feel like it moving away)

I would rather look at this stuff than make literal random decisions between people, but that's about it

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1 You give me the bad vibes, 2 you feel jumpy and 3 theres absolutely no way you go around demanding vote justification 4
and just on your attackers unless you're bad news imo

(1) ok, y

(2) ok, y

(3) uh, actually I tend to do this whenever someone votes me unless I think I’ve been actively scummy

(4) why is it noteworthy that I tend to focus on my attackers? Like, I’m at e-1, I know that it’s very likely that one of those 4 people is scum, are you expecting me to not be primarily interested in sorting there?

I think 4 is fair: unless it's seen as super scummy on this site to hammer wagons like Mena at this stage of the game, there's a very good chance that if mena is town there's at least one scum on his wagon.

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Hey Mare, any reason why you seem to be endlessly sheeping people this game?

Like first you volunteered to be my doublevoter and now VCA looks like you;re just outright sheeping Menal.

2 wagons have reached E-1, Menalque and Infinity, and lets face it mines stalled for some reason.
Mare is well sus, and I wanna know what Ythan, Infinity, Vanders and Hoopla think of both my wagon and of Menalque.

VOTE: Flea

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Hey Mare, any reason why you seem to be endlessly sheeping people this game?

Like first you volunteered to be my doublevoter and now VCA looks like you;re just outright sheeping Menal.

2 wagons have reached E-1, Menalque and Infinity, and lets face it mines stalled for some reason.
Mare is well sus, and I wanna know what Ythan, Infinity, Vanders and Hoopla think of both my wagon and of Menalque.

I don't think much of your wagon, I'm voting you because I want to put wagons of people I don't townread at E-1.
I think Mena is good because he's posted a bunch of decent analysis and he's taking fairly aggressive stances.

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Nothing has grabbed me yet.

Haven't really formed any but I'll look again in a minute if you want.

I ISO'd him, this actually felt pretty towny to me, because he could've made up something to say as scum but didn't.

Though he wasn't as town as I thought

I think it's interesting that the first half of this post is an explanation of why you found me townie and then a non explanation mitigating it.

Yeah I still don't like Ythan

I really don't like the way he is phrasing these posts, these statements about things being interesting or odd just seem like trying to throw shade on people without having to commit to a read

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I also think it's very scummy to be spending time focusing on whether or not infinity is confirmed town or not.
Like, if he's scum, we don't have to give a shit because he's just going to die

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Like I think EV is prooooobably to not lim it and let him take a shot if true

But ehhhh

I know the wagon has moved away but it is absolutely the wrong play to lynch a vigi claim here

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Like I think EV is prooooobably to not lim it and let him take a shot if true

But ehhhh

Oh, also, I think if infinity turns out to be wolf, Ythan has a really high chance of being his partner from their conversation

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I have a hot take and I know it’s about to make me seem so smart to this thread but I don’t think you two are aligned, probably, but do I know who is what alignment? Nope.

I agree with this

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I'm not getting anything from the flea/mena discussion

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Ythan is pretty obviously town imo, I don't see why he antagonizes vig!me as scum

I would have been more okay with it if he gave other content at the time to go with it

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Ythan is pretty obviously town imo, I don't see why he antagonizes vig!me as scum

VOTE: ythan
Not a big believer in the 20% more likely logic about Flea, but I think Ythan is much scummier vs flea who I have no idea

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This should hopefully be obvious but if there's a vig alive who isn't infinity, they 100% need to shoot infinity tonight (and it's fine to not claim today) and if infinity is vig he 100% needs to shoot tonight since he is very likely getting NKed.

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Menal isnt the primary target for information from my elimination.

The rest of the wagon is. Mare and Mom more than the others. Mom for meta reasons, Mare because ye gods have an original thought maybe?

Ythan isn't going to gain anything and the slot has literally done nothing information wise. But sure. My intent remains though because no-eliminations suck.

VOTE: Ythan

Can you explain what you mean by mare and mom being the primary targets for information?
Because I don't understand either of your points about them

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Menalque has been too far drilled in for my flip to be anything AI on them. Misguided town as well as scum would pull that and my conviction means nothing. Dead Fae tell no tales.

Mare seems keen to contribute approximately nothing and is doing enough to be on radar - just.

Mom knows me better and has damned good accuracy of reading me. She knows my style, she knows my chaos, and more. This seems off for her.

Ok, the Mom one makes sense, but I still have no idea why you would think the mare flip would be informative

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I'm sold on Menalque scum, just for the context shifting that's been performed and no attempt to resolve the issue and just push, as well as the cheap ass push on one of my boundaries being ever so close to being stepped on when it comes to respecting others. I accepted the potential misunderstanding yet he pushed it a little more. Why? Honestly I think that's the nastiest push I have ever witnessed (and this is coming from someone who has started a tracker for how often they get called out for "bad faith")

If you're sold on mena scum then why is mena's push on you totally NAI since it could be misguided town?...

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How many games have you played, flea?

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Going to sleep and might not be back before lynch, I definitely would not lose sleep over a flea kill but I think Ythan has been more activel scummy.
I think the vigi thing especially was really awkward, both the subtle shading of the claim without explicitly saying it, and the choosing to comment on basically nothing else other than what is probably the least relevant thing it's possible to do today

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Thanks for the link, flea, but I was wondering if you were new to werewolf, not your specific games on this site

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Yeah, the math on hoopla's post about scum team combos was wrong, even if all partner combos have the same chance of being eliminated, which is an assumption that goes into that math that I also don't think is true.

I think Flea's defence has been really weird, not necessarily scummy weird but imo not towny weird either.
The thing I did think was more towny was the resignation and them saying that they should die and that they were going to self vote, but if one of Flea's "beautiful" scum games involves self voting for an entire day then that really makes me not like that read.

I'm pretty happy with Flea/Ythan up top, I'd be pretty surprised if both were town here.

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23 hours to lynch?
Never mind, I'll be here before then unless something gets majjed.

And I really need to sleep

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GG all!

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Ty Mena for taking it home!