Normal Idea Mafia (150/150 roles submitted, discussion thread up)

[RH9]

Serial Killer Combined Babysitter Bodyguard

[Umlaut]

Werewolf Non-Consecutive Night Commuter

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There is at least one Encryptor in the deck, which opens up the question of whether that role is still Normal in games that already have daytalk even though it doesn't do anything, and of whether Normal Idea games should have auto-daytalk given that it seems to be the

de facto

standard these days.

[Cook]

Town Mason

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I'll update the OP shortly, but for the next 50 roles...

distribution

20

Town

10

Mafia

10

Werewolves

5

Serial Killers

5

Free Spaces

[camelCasedSnivy]

3-Shot Juggernaut Rolecop Serial Killer

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@Cook I updated my troll posts and they are A LOT more tame

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This post has been edited to bring it into line with the latest update to the Normal guidelines, in which the role name "strongman" was changed to "juggernaut." The function of the role is unchanged.

[TemporalLich]

Town Doctor 1-shot Combined Cop Doctor

Each night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability.

Once in the game during night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability and learn if they are

Town

or

Not Town

.

[biancospino]

Town combined Vigilante loyal Bodyguard

Each night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die. If your target belongs to your faction, that player will be protected from one kill that night and you will be killed in their place

(this includes your Vigilante shot)

.

Essentially a Night Desperado

[Umlaut]

Town Jack-of-All-Trades

(Rolecop, Tracker, Weak Hider)

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Since the first 100 roles posted were already chosen to make a full game, we could run a version of this game now by restricting to the first 100 using the percentile dice method Cook suggested before. Cook, would you like to run it or let someone else do it? (I will if no one else will, but tbh I'd rather play in it.)

In fact it might not be a bad idea to choose all sets of 100 this same way; then you could run a range-restricted Normal Idea for any set of consecutive posts [100

n

, 100

n

+99], or perhaps any union of those sets.

[TemporalLich]

Mafia Neapolitan

Each night, you may learn if a player is a

Vanilla Townie

or

not a Vanilla Townie

.

[Alianna]

Vanilla Townie

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I'd be willing to run one of these if Cook doesn't want to.
We would have to iron out the Encryptor thing though as I would definitely be running it with daytalk.

[Cook]

Town 2-Shot Doctor

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I would co-mod or backup mod a game of this, but not as the primary moderator, owing to my restrictions.

[Cook]

Mafia Neighbor

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We're going to have to errata several roles which are less-than-Normal, I think.

If someone could help find the non-Normal roles, I will propose errata for them.

[Alianna]

Town Mason

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17 is the only explicitly non-normal role that I could find, but there are a few other roles (36, 39, 75) I'm concerned about. They're technically within the letter of normality, but I'm not sure they're aligned with the spirit. I'm not sure if I've missed anything there though.

The encryptor thing is one issue, but I've also thought of another issue. What happens if you roll only one mason or neighbour card? Do you put the player in a PT by themself? Remove that piece of their role? Convert someone else to a mason or neighbour? Reroll?

[Umlaut]

Werewolf Loud Babysitter

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Spoiler: Response to Alianna, and more normalcy concerns

Agreed that 17 is obviously not normal.

The biggest problem with 36 is that, due to the existence of modular roles, the list of all normal roles is not finite. I'm okay with the idea of a very long explicit finite list of normal roles but it does have to be explicit, particular since what is normal changes over time whereas this deck ought to consist of fixed well-defined roles. (I still think Universal Finder would be a great role, though, were it normal.)

39 is very confusing in using both Combined and Multitasking, in addition to using Combined with Night-specific roles used on different nights. I don't think there is any single natural way to interpret this, so it probably shouldn't be allowed. The easiest fix is just to nix "Complex" and keep the rest, which is complicated but coherent.

I may be biased here but I think the fact that 75 is in the deck and therefore a known possibility obviates any problem with defying expectations that it might have. I would accept this role in an actual Normal game without blinking.

There are a few posts like 30 where the components seem out of order (should be Mafia Universal Backup, not Universal Backup Mafia), and some like 42 or 58 that have typos or missing components (the latter is presumably Town since it's green, but this must be stated). I'm also mildly concerned about 47 because it's not immediately apparent that 1-Shot only applies to the first part. None of these are things I'm inclined to argue about, though; leaving them alone is probably okay.

In the absence of an official interpretation I'd be inclined to say that, in games with daytalk, Encryptor is a legitimate role that doesn't do anything. This can be "true" even if such a game would never actually be approved by NRG review, since (as with 75) the fact that the setup is effectively a Variable Open means this isn't going to confuse anyone.

[RH9]

Werewolf Traitor Combined Babysitter Bodyguard

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Mafia Neighbor

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We're going to have to errata several roles which are less-than-Normal, I think.

If someone could help find the non-Normal roles, I will propose errata for them.

We can technically just nullify them and treat them as the Vanilla role of their factions.

[RH9]

Mafia Traitor Combined Babysitter Bodyguard

[RH9]

Town Combined Babysitter Bodyguard

[RH9]

Town Combined Detective Psychologist

[camelCasedSnivy]

Mafia Ascetic Simple Shield Complex Loyal Traffic Analyst

These are separate actions so you may NOT use both on the same night

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I love this deck so much

updated;

[camelCasedSnivy]

Town Mason Novice Jailkeeper Night 3 Friendly Neighbor

You may not use the Novice Jailkeeper action and the Night 3 Friendly Neighbor action on the same night.

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me when
changed upon request

changed again;

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This role has been Errata'd to comply with Normal guidelines.

Original role:

Town Encryptor Mason Novice Jailkeeper Night 3 Friendly Neighbor

You may not use the Novice Jailkeeper action and the Night 3 Friendly Neighbor action on the same night.

[biancospino]

SerialKiller Informed lazy compulsive Commuter

Each night, if at least two anti-town players were alive at the start of the night, you must commute, thus preventing you from targeting, or being targeted by, any other player this night.

(In particular, you can't perform your factional Nightkill, unless you're the only non-town alive left)

You are informed that [player] does not belong to the Town. (Note: [player] is a non-town selected at random)

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Town Ascetic Bulletproof Encryptor Mason Novice Jailkeeper Roaming Even Night Mailman Lazy Weak 2-Shot Psychologist Personal Night 3 Novice Friendly Neighbor

What does "personal FriendlyNeighbour" mean exactly? FN does not iteract with actions at all, so the personal modifier here does nothing

Mafia Ascetic Checker Simple Combined [Shield Universal Backup] Complex Loyal Traffic Analyst Loud Visitor

So the TA always fails since it's both complex

and simple (since all parts of the combined... do inherit the simple modifier)

; how is [Shield UB] supposed to be parsed in such a way to make sense within the combined mod?

[camelCasedSnivy]

Vanilla Townie

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SerialKiller Informed lazy compulsive Commuter

Each night, if at least two anti-town players were alive at the start of the night, you must commute, thus preventing you from targeting, or being targeted by, any other player this night.

(In particular, you can't perform your factional Nightkill, unless you're the only non-town alive left)

You are informed that [player] does not belong to the Town. (Note: [player] is a non-town selected at random)

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Town Ascetic Bulletproof Encryptor Mason Novice Jailkeeper Roaming Even Night Mailman Lazy Weak 2-Shot Psychologist Personal Night 3 Novice Friendly Neighbor

What does "personal FriendlyNeighbour" mean exactly? FN does not iteract with actions at all, so the personal modifier here does nothing

Mafia Ascetic Checker Simple Combined [Shield Universal Backup] Complex Loyal Traffic Analyst Loud Visitor

So the TA always fails since it's both complex

and simple (since all parts of the combined... do inherit the simple modifier)

; how is [Shield UB] supposed to be parsed in such a way to make sense within the combined mod?

Personal Friendly Neighbor is funny that's why but if you want me to change it then sure (also you didn't even notice "Night 3 Novice")

also no, Simple affects the Combined action and Complex affects the TA, the TA isn't in the combined brackets, which is why the brackets are there in the first place

afaik shield UB would just be the shield action along with whatever action is inherited from UB

[usesPython]

Town Announcing Loud 2-shot Vigilante

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What's the legality of Day Specific roles? Night Specific roles are explicitly normal and it seems pretty reasonable to extend it to Day Specific roles like Activated Innocent Child but it's not actually explicitly normal as far as I can tell

[camelCasedSnivy]

Vanilla Townie

[TemporalLich]

Town 1-shot Role Cop

Once in the game during night, you may learn a player's role.

[TemporalLich]

Mafia Combined Checker Fruit Vendor

Each night, you may check a player and give them a fruit. You will be informed of whether your check attempt on that player succeeded or not. They will be notified they received a fruit.