Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Bingle]

Again, you also are unable to determine motivations between me/Bambi just based on me actually trying to drive wagons and move things and them just... sheeping most of my reads?

Ignoring an avenue of scumhunting is dumb. I'm going to look at all of the evidence I can possibly look at and I encourage everyone to do the same.

[VFP]

I didn't say town Bambi though?

Bringing percentages in at all implies that the perspective you're examining is town. If Bambi is scum she has perfect information and knows that we're town.

Like, I'm trying to work out what your thought process here is.

How is scumBambi going to win because of this suggestion? This isn't a trick question. I want to see a thought process, not surface level "That's scummy".

But thays why I corrected and said its my PoV of Bambi's PoV meaning that scum minded play can be happening and goes into the %.

I also just said how scum Bambi wins though.
If Bambi is scum, then I don't think the position to confirm you ever happens as scum you, neither am I really concered here that you hammer.

So me, Bambi, and T-Bone vote Llama, then Bambi's scum buddies RM and Ana quick vote Llama and win.
This is how scum Bambi wins.

Secondly is again scum with RM and Ana. Gains town credit for revealing you 2 as town and Town Llama is voted off regardless of knowing 2 town.

3rd option that is possible although.im not convinced, scum Bambi with scum you and Kersel just wins because, well you understand I'm sure.

The only scum party that does not gain from this is if me and T-Bone are scum with Bambi.

[Kerset]

Again, you also are unable to determine motivations between me/Bambi just based on me actually trying to drive wagons and move things and them just... sheeping most of my reads?

You underestimate me.

[yessiree]

VC 2.9

With 8 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate.

LlamaFluff (2)

- Anastasia, Bambi Jay

Bambi Jay (2)

- LlamaFluff, RationalMadman

Note voting - T-Bone, Kerset, Bingle, VFP

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-02 16:00:00)

[Bambi Jay]

Kerset and Bingle: do you think Tbone and VFP are a team with Llama?
Tbone and VFP: same question but with Kerset and Bingle instead.

[VFP]

Kerset and Bingle: do you think Tbone and VFP are a team with Llama?
Tbone and VFP: same question but with Kerset and Bingle instead.

Llama scum has me at 70% RM/Ana and 30% Bingle / Kerset. So yes, it's still pretty plausible.
If you're scum, I think its just RM/Ana more about 90% and 10% Bingle / Kerset.

That's where I'm at.

[LlamaFluff]

Again, you also are unable to determine motivations between me/Bambi just based on me actually trying to drive wagons and move things and them just... sheeping most of my reads?

You underestimate me.

Dont think I am. I am just saying the "truest" reads are going to come from D1, not us trying to link players to someone we know is scum. I do not believe for a second that if you are town and I come out with a "Kerset tomorrow 100% after Bambi, and then Kerset strongest town read after that" that it doesnt sway your opinion on me. Any good scum can and probably would already be looking at where people are leaning, and seeing what town pair they can manipulate into the wrong vote when the bring out their "scum reads"

Kerset and Bingle: do you think Tbone and VFP are a team with Llama?
Tbone and VFP: same question but with Kerset and Bingle instead.

Llama scum has me at 70% RM/Ana and 30% Bingle / Kerset. So yes, it's still pretty plausible.
If you're scum, I think its just RM/Ana more about 90% and 10% Bingle / Kerset.

That's where I'm at.

Again please explain my D1 actions if its RM/Ana with me. Do I really in a scenario where the top two wagons are town try and get the day to drag on, push a quick wagon on buddies, and when that actually materialized abandon it for SS instead of trying to claim the town credit? Do you really think that if RM/Ana scum died D1 with me as the goon that the game would even be going on right now? Im pretty sure best case for town in that scenario is im trying to convince maybe one more vote onto Bambi who is just a little bit paranoid that I bussed.

[Bambi Jay]

You did save them in the end tho. That's what matters. Well, your case did which me Tbone and VFP followed.

[VFP]

Again please explain my D1 actions if its RM/Ana with me. Do I really in a scenario where the top two wagons are town try and get the day to drag on, push a quick wagon on buddies, and when that actually materialized abandon it for SS instead of trying to claim the town credit? Do you really think that if RM/Ana scum died D1 with me as the goon that the game would even be going on right now? Im pretty sure best case for town in that scenario is im trying to convince maybe one more vote onto Bambi who is just a little bit paranoid that I bussed.

Well the RM/Ana wagon gained traction. You couldn't swap to another pair because that would look scummy. So you have to go VTs.
Going on SS and flipping town means I was wrong. Scum you knows this and can use this to either swap my opinion away from RM/Ana or to even use against me if I keep pushing.
Scum you will know first hand that me being wrong on my pairing means I go over it again and doubt my reads.

The fact you voted RM / Ana and then unvoted when I voted with you, just makes me feel it was for show.

But you just said it yourself. A lim on RMA / Ana scum means scum you will most likely be the second VT lim.
This is why you had.to get out of that and onto the VTs.
But we're just talking possibilities, right?

I'm off out for the night though. So have a good night all

[Kerset]

Kerset and Bingle: do you think Tbone and VFP are a team with Llama?
Tbone and VFP: same question but with Kerset and Bingle instead.

that just sounds like your previous question with extra steps

[Bambi Jay]

It'll have a point later. for you it's mostly asking as a confirmation you still think it's a possibility.

[LlamaFluff]

But you just said it yourself. A lim on RMA / Ana scum means scum you will most likely be the second VT lim.
This is why you had.to get out of that and onto the VTs.
But we're just talking possibilities, right?

Does it? Thats pretty much the opposite of what I just said and makes no sense. If that *is* your thought too... it means Bambi basically did exactly what is optimal in your world for scum. Start the bus at a secondary level, suddenly realize its happening, and then jump off to SS. Or am I wrong in that reasoning? As far as I can tell though, the scenario you are describing is what scum-Bambi would want to happen, and exactly what Bambi did.

[Bambi Jay]

Again, I literally said I was ready to switch back and only didn't because Tbone switched over and told VFP to do the same.

[LlamaFluff]

Again, I literally said I was ready to switch back and only didn't because Tbone switched over and told VFP to do the same.

So you still read RM/Ana as best scum pick then? Did you read RM/Ana and SS as scum together?

[Bambi Jay]

Not as much, admittedly. But considering both you and I said we thought Smart was scum because of how Vex acted and I trusted you at the time, you can forgive me there. That and it was hard for me to separate my scumread and dislike of Ration into 2 separate things.

[LlamaFluff]

Mod

- Any chance to get a minor deadline extension due to holiday weekend in US and it being Marathon weekend (and I guess because side hustle stuff is going to be chaos for me this week... have about a 18 hour block of games to watch tomorrow)

[Kerset]

Okay I am done. Everyone vote Bambi.

Bambi has actively refused to answer a direct question repeatedly.

I also disliked it, so i will lend you a hand here.

(expired on 2021-05-29 20:00:00)

Here is a timer after which i will vote.

I saw a marathon of words and I've been gone but from the bit i saw I guess we've been pushing Ration and Ana. It still falls in line with Tbone and VFP being my lockdown pick so there's that.

Only got 1 favor really. I'll obviously vote Ana if y'all don't wanna go along with it but I wanna elim Ration on principal instead and not just getting him on a technicality. It's the same result but voting Ration feels better.

VOTE: Ration

Will probably reread the last 2 pages but frankly nothing on there changed my views at all. I got Smart as the goon from the VTs becuz of Vex, and with Tbone and VFP as town the other 2 are expendable and I think they can convince the other VT (probs Llama) they are the town pair if we're put in Lim or Lose.

You agreed to also vote Ration but what was

your

reasoning at the time.

[Bambi Jay]

Because I hated his style and I thought it was easier to elim him first then you if you were scum afterwards. Strategic reasoning besides "you aren't Tbone and Klick" atm wasn't there so I let emotions guide me.

[RationalMadman]

Fake reasoning

[Bambi Jay]

How is "I don't like you" fake? Do you think I secretly like you or something tsundere style?

[Bambi Jay]

Actually I know a way to fuck over Ration if they're teamed with Llama. I just gotta prove the other 2 aren't his partners.

VOTE: Bambi

Team Bingle/Kerset and team Tbone/VFP, just confirm you guys are on at the same time to show you didn't quick hammer me and therefore aren't partners with Llama.

I'm off to work so I'll unvote myself tomorrow if we're still playing and my gamble pays off.

[Kerset]

lol

[RationalMadman]

You would never ever do this as Town. Ever. Your partners aren't going to hammer you and you aren't going to pass this off as anything other than Scum pulling a ridiculous gambit.

[RationalMadman]

Ana, vote Bambi immediately, it is confirmed now.

[Bambi Jay]

Make it easier then and let only one need to hammer me then. That'll be even better then having to confirm they're online together.