Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[VFP]

It's 100% from my perspective but not theirs bro. For Bingle I could be with Tbone or vice Versa.

You as town Llama should still not think RM/Ana is 100 tho. Sure as scum this saves you and you can 1v1 me another day, but town you shouldn't be 100 certain I'm not scum with the other lovers. Why would town you be so certain on them?

Again this is right, but I understand what Llama is saying now.
If we vote Llama, we should instead vote RM/Ana.
You should want this too because it is the best way for town to progress. In you're view, it's still right.
If we want to lim you though, it's probably not the best idea.

If Llama is scum, we just vote up their only buddy.
If Llama is town, this view is just town minded and benefits town every time.

[LlamaFluff]

It's 100% from my perspective but not theirs bro. For Bingle I could be with Tbone or vice Versa.

You as town Llama should still not think RM/Ana is 100 tho. Sure as scum this saves you and you can 1v1 me another day, but town you shouldn't be 100 certain I'm not scum with the other lovers. Why would town you be so certain on them?

Again this is right, but I understand what Llama is saying now.
If we vote Llama, we should instead vote RM/Ana.
You should want this too because it is the best way for town to progress. In you're view, it's still right.
If we want to lim you though, it's probably not the best idea.

If Llama is scum, we just vote up their only buddy.
If Llama is town, this view is just town minded and benefits town every time.

Exactly. Unless Bambi is going to abandon their thought process Ana/RM as scum no matter what happens. Im not as good of a player as I used to be, but am still more than capable of destroying someone who overplays their hand.

[yessiree]

VC 2.12

With 8 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Bambi Jay (3)

- LlamaFluff, RationalMadman, Bambi Jay

LlamaFluff (1)

- Anastasia

Note voting - T-Bone, Kerset, Bingle, VFP

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-02 16:00:00)

[LlamaFluff]

I dont love being confirmed town because I do best under a little bit of pressure as "game solving" a known solution is just out arguing a known answer, but if this is going to be how I wake up in this game... and town might actually win this shit show setup... will take it.

[RationalMadman]

So you wouldnt vote RM/Ana in a scenario where under the assumption that there is a 100% scenario to you that they are scum... while if I am town its infinitely less because... ????

I already saw my mistake and I agree with this.
It means lim you is 50% right
Lim RM / Ana is 75% right

Or something along those lines.

I think the better way is to look at Bambi.

Bambi cant be scum with:

Me (duh)
VFP/Tbone (Game would be over)
Bingle/Kerset (Game would be over)

So Bambi is 100% scum

It just depends with who.

I give all the credit to them for trying a gambit, but when its a logic puzzle... the ex-open queue list mod is a horrible person to play it off against.

I'm confused what you said. Why can't Bambi be Scum with VFP's pair or Bingle's pair?

What are you saying?

[Bambi Jay]

I need to think about other pairs... going into today I was around (just spitballing)

50% TBone/VFP
40% Bingle/Kerset
10% Rm/Ana

Will probably lean heavily on others reads because of again what I see as a bad flaw in this setup.

@Bambi - Please explain how I can possibly be town with Ana/RM as town.

Well for one your scum. But hypothetically speaking I'll use VFP and Tbone as my team as an example.

The scum plan is simple: I go unreasonable and trigger Ration's short temper and get him to vote me already. I know you'll vote me, so I vote myself hoping Bingle and Kerset don't hammer me with Ana. Same plan but with the lovers reversed.

Town you doesn't know 100 percent they are scum. Scum you knows who your partners are and can sacrafice them if it means to survive and win against me later. Town you wouldn't instantly throw your townread under the bus without making a case of Bambi/Tbone or Bambi/Bingle. Your too confident it's those 2.

[RationalMadman]

Bambi is absolutely scum with one of those pairs

[RationalMadman]

I need to think about other pairs... going into today I was around (just spitballing)

50% TBone/VFP
40% Bingle/Kerset
10% Rm/Ana

Will probably lean heavily on others reads because of again what I see as a bad flaw in this setup.

@Bambi - Please explain how I can possibly be town with Ana/RM as town.

Well for one your scum. But hypothetically speaking I'll use VFP and Tbone as my team as an example.

The scum plan is simple: I go unreasonable and trigger Ration's short temper and get him to vote me already. I know you'll vote me, so I vote myself hoping Bingle and Kerset don't hammer me with Ana. Same plan but with the lovers reversed.

Town you doesn't know 100 percent they are scum. Scum you knows who your partners are and can sacrafice them if it means to survive and win against me later. Town you wouldn't instantly throw your townread under the bus without making a case of Bambi/Tbone or Bambi/Bingle. Your too confident it's those 2.

Are you delusional?

If you were Town here, the Scum pair would hammer you the millisecond both were online at the same time. You would never risk that as Town... You have just screwed yourself over with this gambit, I have no idea who would suggest this actually so I'm lost right now as to which pair your partners are.

[Bambi Jay]

Oh now Ration comes along and suddenly tries to push it on the other lovers. Wonderful.

Edit: that was a hypothetical scum me. Town me just confirmed your evil with Llama. Llama has not proven why you are 100 percent evil with me.

Let the smart one fight it out for the scum team Ration.

[LlamaFluff]

So you wouldnt vote RM/Ana in a scenario where under the assumption that there is a 100% scenario to you that they are scum... while if I am town its infinitely less because... ????

I already saw my mistake and I agree with this.
It means lim you is 50% right
Lim RM / Ana is 75% right

Or something along those lines.

I think the better way is to look at Bambi.

Bambi cant be scum with:

Me (duh)
VFP/Tbone (Game would be over)
Bingle/Kerset (Game would be over)

So Bambi is 100% scum

It just depends with who.

I give all the credit to them for trying a gambit, but when its a logic puzzle... the ex-open queue list mod is a horrible person to play it off against.

I'm confused what you said. Why can't Bambi be Scum with VFP's pair or Bingle's pair?

What are you saying?

They can be. I cant be as game isnt over, if I was scum with any other pair Bambi is already dead. Only way thats wrong is if VFP/TBone or Bingle/Kerset havent been able to coordinate a hammer. The only way *I* can be scum is if *you* are scum first. So anyone who wants to vote me, should vote you.

Bambi can be scum with any pair
I can only be scum with RM/Ana

Due to that, any vote for me is inherently flawed as it ignores a "must be scum" for "could be scum"

[LlamaFluff]

Bambi continues to fail to explain how I can be scum with VFP/Tbone or Bingle/Kerset... probably because it hastens their death but... still

[LlamaFluff]

Pretty much everyone right now needs to be voting for Bambi (best option by far) or the RM/Ana pair. Nothing else exists as a reasonable scenario.

[LlamaFluff]

@RM - Are you able to convince Ana better in your PT right now? Let me know so I can put effort as needed.

[Bambi Jay]

I'm explaining why town you doesn't make this play so quickly. This is for later if we actually decide to indulge killingRM and ana first.

[LlamaFluff]

I'm explaining why town you doesn't make this play so quickly. This is for later if we actually decide to indulge killingRM and ana first.

Lets pretend you are town... three spots exist

1) RM/Ana are scum - You cant be hammered, you are alive
2) Kerset/Bingle are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it
3) VFP/TBone are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it

Why is this 2 or 3 again? When all four players have posted?

[LlamaFluff]

I'm explaining why town you doesn't make this play so quickly. This is for later if we actually decide to indulge killingRM and ana first.

Lets pretend you are town... three spots exist

1) RM/Ana are scum - You cant be hammered, you are alive
2) Kerset/Bingle are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it
3) VFP/TBone are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it

Why is this 2 or 3 again? When all four players have posted?

I mean, the correct answer is Bambi is scum. But... yeah thats just blatant and not fun to even have to prove. No chance Bambi is scum without RM/Ana scum first. Special talent mode activated.

[VFP]

I think I favour Llama over Bambi as town here.
But I'll wait until my T-Bone gives input. He's the brains.

[LlamaFluff]

I think I favour Llama over Bambi as town here.
But I'll wait until my T-Bone gives input. He's the brains.

So why is it me or Bambi for you? Isnt it actually Bambi v RM/Ana?

[Bambi Jay]

I'm explaining why town you doesn't make this play so quickly. This is for later if we actually decide to indulge killingRM and ana first.

Lets pretend you are town... three spots exist

1) RM/Ana are scum - You cant be hammered, you are alive
2) Kerset/Bingle are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it
3) VFP/TBone are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it

Why is this 2 or 3 again? When all four players have posted?

Odds are in your favor but effort is in mine. I made it possible with my play and bet the game on it being RM Ana and you. I'll keep going until we lose or win.

[VFP]

I think I favour Llama over Bambi as town here.
But I'll wait until my T-Bone gives input. He's the brains.

So why is it me or Bambi for you? Isnt it actually Bambi v RM/Ana?

I'm saying you in the sense of who I'm reading from this whole thing.
Voting would obviously be RM/Ana or Bambi.

I'm also under the thought of either below scum team.
You, RM, Ana
Bambi, Bingle, Kersel

Although the 3rd option is there, I think the chances are low.
So you can just consider you and Bambi as the mascots to the teams I think town or scum.

[RationalMadman]

@RM - Are you able to convince Ana better in your PT right now? Let me know so I can put effort as needed.

What? Is this a joke?

[VFP]

Honeymoon period over?

[LlamaFluff]

I'm explaining why town you doesn't make this play so quickly. This is for later if we actually decide to indulge killingRM and ana first.

Lets pretend you are town... three spots exist

1) RM/Ana are scum - You cant be hammered, you are alive
2) Kerset/Bingle are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it
3) VFP/TBone are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it

Why is this 2 or 3 again? When all four players have posted?

Odds are in your favor but effort is in mine. I made it possible with my play and bet the game on it being RM Ana and you. I'll keep going until we lose or win.

So you agree and still wont vote RM/Ana?

Cool. Simple win is still a win. Bambi essentially entering confirmed scum range as they are now saying... I am scum and RM/Ana is scum but I have to be first target even though I can only be scum if RM/Ana is first. If you got told this by a partner blame them, they probably lost the game right here.

@RM - Are you able to convince Ana better in your PT right now? Let me know so I can put effort as needed.

What? Is this a joke?

Quick "If screw up easy win" trap

[Bambi Jay]

I already said I'll indulge you if the others agree first. It was my post before that one. I assumed you could read.

Also going off for a bit be back later.

[LlamaFluff]

I already said I'll indulge you if the others agree first. It was my post before that one. I assumed you could read.

Also going off for a bit be back later.

I can read (maybe) but you are dead here. From what you are claiming there is still zero chance I am scum unless Ana/RM is scum first. Its you or them as scum dying here. Thats the only options. No clue how we got this lucky, but im not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.