Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Bingle]

@TBone

The way you did it with VV, I'm not sure what either of you are trying to accomplish if you're town in that argument.

If VV is town they think they've found a scum indicative thing from me.

If I'm town, I know they haven't and originally asked why they wanted something I see as NAI to read into their motivation.

Now, what is the actual alignment relevant information (based on tone/substance/motivation) that you took from that argument, if anything?

[Bingle]

I find it fascinating that literally 0 players have asked me why I’m townreading Bambi, and in fact most of you are avoiding reads entirely.

[T-Bone]

Please name and shame the 'most of people' who are avoiding reads.

[RationalMadman]

I find it fascinating that literally 0 players have asked me why I’m townreading Bambi, and in fact most of you are avoiding reads entirely.

I didn't avoid it at all. I even said I scumread Bambi.

[RationalMadman]

I said I want today to be Bambi vs Llama

[Bambi Jay]

I kinda questioned it but frankly it would sound weird if I pointed it out to you.

Of the singles I wanted to trust Vex more but they're just... Well I think starting this game with bad blood with Ration wasn't the best idea unless it was a nice diversion tactic. I joked on it but I also tried to stay neutral in reading him. Because it seems literally the same way Ration acted before I assume this is his default town state. It doesn't gel with half the player list but I accept it. I want more from Anastasia but until then I'll accept that's town lover?

And of Klick/Tbone and Bingle/Kerset I reread the game this morning and say that again I hesitate because Bingle is putting in effort. But I put both Klick and Tbone over Kerset so...

VOTE: Kerset

First real vote. Sorry Ana. Though rereading Tbone and Klick made me realize we got the same wavelength with them mostly. The only thing that would be weird in a Vex/Bingle/Kerset team would be the weird argument between the first two I guess.

If those 2 flip town though I'm more likely to still believe Tbone and Klick over RM and Ana.

So yeah my preferred elim order would be

Pairs: Bingle team then Ration team
Singles: Vex then Llama.

Llama will move depending on who he sides with but for now that's that. Geez I rambled there.

[Bambi Jay]

I said I want today to be Bambi vs Llama

The hell? I literally just make a good readlist to help you but then you do this. Why not Vex?

[RationalMadman]

No, Vex can be Town vs you as Scum. Pretty simple third alternative to a bus that still leaves you as Scum, what kind of retort is that anyway? Are you saying it's intuitive and more probable that you did this as Lover who called their Lover PT a Mason thread?

Vex’s alignment has literally nothing to do with the slip.

Regardless of anything else, my role pm has the word lover.

Regardless of anything else, the town lovers are functionally masons.

Literally no one agrees with your nonsense reason for tunneling me.

Maybe consider that, and then look at the thread again with an open mind.

I look at it with an open mind and can't fathom why you don't call it lover thread or PT. It could definitely be a slip of you forgetting what type of thread you had to fake but it could also be the stress of the situation causing you to type the wrong name. You never last or tjis game called it a mason thread until that point unless I'm missing something.

[RationalMadman]

I said I want today to be Bambi vs Llama

The hell? I literally just make a good readlist to help you but then you do this. Why not Vex?

Where did you do that?

[RationalMadman]

Vex has been the towniest Vanilla claim by far.

[Bambi Jay]

How. In one post please not like 3 separate ones.

[RationalMadman]

If those 2 flip town though I'm more likely to still believe Tbone and Klick over RM and Ana.

What's the reasoning?

[RationalMadman]

How. In one post please not like 3 separate ones.

You and Llama haven't done a single Towny thing all game, you voting Klick made no sense whatsoever even as a random vote because you should random vote another vanilla claim.

Vex has been very defensive to begin with, then proceeded to tunnel another player/pair and again finds their (Vex's) logic and line of playing and thinking doesn't mesh well with Bingle's.

This all reads as Town Vex to me. However, last game this happened with Town Vex vs Town Bingle so the question is if Bingle is scum does Vex's natural logic not flow well with Bingle's. I don't know and I need to see more play out but if your question is why Vex is the towniest Vanilla claim, those are most of the reasons why.

[Bambi Jay]

Because my townread on you is based more in last game and this game aligning up in your play style I've seen so far. I would still be going for you now if it wasn't for that. Tbone and Klick are actually being proactive AND townie. Bingle is being proactive and seni-townie, and Kerset feels like filler. Hence how I ranked you six

[Kerset]

Of the singles I wanted to trust Vex more but they're just... Well I think starting this game with bad blood with Ration wasn't the best idea unless it was a nice diversion tactic. I joked on it but I also tried to stay neutral in reading him. Because it seems literally the same way Ration acted before I assume this is his default town state. I want more from Anastasia but until then I'll accept that's town lover?

Then why are you not establishing it based on lama?

[Kerset]

Though rereading Tbone and Klick made me realize we got the same wavelength with them mostly.

Tbone and Klick are actually being proactive AND townie.

Quotes please

[RationalMadman]

First real vote. Sorry Ana. Though rereading Tbone and Klick made me realize

we

got the same wavelength with them mostly.

What do you mean by 'we'?

[RationalMadman]

Also well done Vex for doing your job obvtowning last go, do it again pls.

This on its own could just be a jibe at me, yet if I put it together with later behaviour by Vex and how Klick has voted and read players, it makes me question quite a lot.

Klick easily says this no matter which alignment Vex is but does Klick say this as Town Klick?

[Vex Vience]

currently at work, will be posting intermittently.
@rm, bambi meant her and ana, in the quote you’re asking who she means we in

[Vex Vience]

also kerset instead of deflecting onto others, why don’t you, y’know, try to defend yourself?

[RationalMadman]

currently at work, will be posting intermittently.
@rm, bambi meant her and ana, in the quote you’re asking who she means we in

There is no way she actually meant that, I am with Ana.

[Kerset]

also kerset instead of deflecting onto others, why don’t you, y’know, try to defend yourself?

I can't defend from BoP.

[Bingle]

Please name and shame the 'most of people' who are avoiding reads.

VV has given reads on me and kerset and when I dragged out answers about their TR on you it was because you talked about game topics in the lover pt, something that

you

actually didn't do according to Klick.

Ana has very obviously been avoiding reads.

Bambi has been mostly absent.

You have more content than I thought you did, but not by much.

I did mean to limit that to reads on the VT pool, but the level of engagement here is pretty abysmal, and I was letting my frustration over shit tunnels color my perception.

Bambi is likely town because of 33. If she's scum it's a cheeky throwaway comment that's likely to draw attention to itself and something that scum would naturally be disinclined to post.

Honestly, my motivation for this game is incredibly low at this point, and I'm probably just gonna stop giving a shit.

[Vex Vience]

yes, tbone didn’t say that much about it, but klick did. based on the fact tbone hasn’t said that’s wrong yet, i’d assume it’s true

[Vex Vience]

also jingle, do you really expect that much reasoning from an early townread?