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[Dwlee99]

Conftown have died every night since night 3. So there's that.

[Andresvmb]

Multiple VTs have flipped. Think about how silly this is. Scum Kyouko left Gamma alive to clear multiple players and then shoots the players that have been cleared but not Gamma, and then leaves it open for them to get checked when they’re solidly in the POE (my POE was Kyouko / DW, Koba would have agreed, STD thought it was Kyouko)?

[Andresvmb]

Koba came in also saying Kyouko could be Scum. Like this feels like a throw and quite silly.

[Andresvmb]

And I don’t think Kyouko is this incompetent. I just don’t.

[Andresvmb]

Okay well there’s one thing. If the Scum knew that there’s a Rolestopper, then they assume Gamma is being protected.

[Andresvmb]

That’s for sure. And that has been the case, just not every Night (why not just protect Gamma every night? Was that not possible?)

[Andresvmb]

So then they know that if they shoot there, and there’s no execution, the game narrows to the point where they lose. The Rolestopper claims, clears Gamma and themselves, and Gamma’s check is by chance probably not the Rolestopper, and it’s auto loss.

[Andresvmb]

So that explains the behavior we’ve seen possibly.

[Andresvmb]

But anyway, if we assume DGB wasn’t throwing, then we just execute Kyouko and if that’s wrong, we execute Gamma and it’s game over. Unless we’re living in a world with a Traitor, which I would argue is somewhat unlikely, then we probably don’t lose.

[Andresvmb]

I think we need to execute Gamma.

[Andresvmb]

Kyouko is either main Scum (and has lost the game), or cleared.

[Andresvmb]

If Gamma is Scum, they’re probably Traitor (I doubt main Scum would take this chance unless they knew for a fact that a Traitor was in the game). We could theoretically lose if Gamma is Traitor and doing this now. But we can’t lose if Kyouko is just Scum and we wait until tomorrow to execute them. You have to believe I’m Town though and not Traitor (can’t be main Scum clearly).

[Andresvmb]

VFP / Koba doesn’t just vote Kyouko there as Traitor they lose, and have to defend Kyouko. So they’re not aligned. And DotW is cleared. Given the dynamics, I doubt DW is ever Scum and the Scum have behaved like these indeed a role that blocks kills.

[Andresvmb]

There’s indeed a role*

[Andresvmb]

I would be flabbergasted if there’s 5 main Scum in this game. I don’t see it. Though the Town have a lot of power. PT Cop, Macho Rolestopper, Vengeful Combined Vigilante Babysitter, Town Informed, and 2-Shot Announcing Voyeur? It’s a lot.

[Andresvmb]

The Scum just haven’t flipped with a lot of power. The Informed Compulsive Jailkeeper was it?

[Andresvmb]

Can somebody talk to me? Am I overthinking this?

[Dwlee99]

I'm trying to way the possibility of two scum in my head.

[Andresvmb]

Given what I’ve seen on this forum, there’s no way a reviewer would think that a 17p game could be balanced with 5 Scum.

[Dwlee99]

I really used the wrong weigh there. Wow

I think I agree, except last large normal was 15 v 6 I think? How much different is that than 12 v 5?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying to way the possibility of two scum in my head.

I don’t think there’s 2 main scum at least so IMO it’s nothing to worry about

[Gamma Emerald]

Given what I’ve seen on this forum, there’s no way a reviewer would think that a 17p game could be balanced with 5 Scum.

Iirc a 25p with 4 scum passed at some point so the other extreme is possible

[Dwlee99]

I'm trying to way the possibility of two scum in my head.

I don’t think there’s 2 main scum at least so IMO it’s nothing to worry about

A traitor still counts towards win con.

[Gamma Emerald]

well as I see it there's no way kyouko is town here so limming her should be a win

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I concede, I hoped gamma was x-shot lying about being even night
VOTE: ssbm Kyouko