Open 814: CultD3 CULT WINS

[Umlaut]

Raya is obvscum, I get we have to lim CL and there is some question of whether she is that but given that her teammates didn't bus her to death when a cultist lynch was optimal for them I would be very surprised if she's not. Don't see what else there really is to talk about, if we're wrong let's at least get it over with instead of spending IRL days trying to solve the rest of the game only to lose instantly over that.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Raya

[Dwlee99]

Raya exists in a space where I could see Marky being the cult leader and her being role cop. Please unvote because I want to talk about this

[Dwlee99]

Umlaut, think about yesterday's wagons. If you're town, who were the people not on the Raya wagon? It was you, me, Raya, and flea not on it. Marky and Enchant were both voting Raya there, meaning that it could have been a rolecop bus. The one thing indicating to me that maybe she is cult leader is that she didn't self-hammer.

[Dwlee99]

I think we should check if she was around with an opportunity to self-hammer though. I don't remember

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: vote counts

work vc 2.4 - even though i'm on my laptop:

raya (4, e-1) - mark, enchant, t3, osuka

T3 (2) - raya, dwlee

not voting - anyone not listed, but especially umlaut and flea since they both uv'd since the vc before last

deadline: june 30th @ 14:25 edt, (so about nine days from now, as of writing this)
majority is five since eight are alive

im not v/la currently, but i am at work

mobile vc 2.5

raya (4, e-1) - mark, enchant, t3, osuka

T3 (3, e-2) - raya, dwlee, umlaut

not voting - just flea

deadline: (expired on 2021-06-30 14:25:00)

majority is five since eight are alive

im not v/la currently, but i am on my couch-bed
I will make vcs look nice later. Please bear with the mobile ones for now

2.6
Raya (4) - mark, enchant, t3, osuka
T3 (3) - raya, dwlee, umlaut
Dwlee (1) - flea

(expired on 2021-06-30 14:25:00)

[Dwlee99]

She definitely had the opportunity to self-hammer and didn't. I need to reconcile my thoughts on my PoE and their interactions.

[Umlaut]

I didn't even think of the self-hammer point but that pretty much settles that Raya is CL from my perspective. It's a good chance at least one scum was voting Raya, could be Enchant for reverse psychology reasons since we all at least half-believed him scum yesterday.

Sorry, I appreciate your wanting to think it through but I see no good reason to prolong the day.

[Dwlee99]

I just want to make sure we aren't picking wrong between Marky and her.

[Umlaut]

Well, if it's wrong we'll know soon enough! I don't see any realistic path to becoming more sure, particularly since Raya has no motive to even appear to coöperate with any investigation efforts today.

[Marky Mark]

I'm getting reasonably confident that Dwlee is scum here as his position on me went from "meh" d2 to "this slot is definitely scum" today based on a town wagon that we were both on

It's about the quickhammer. Literally overnight for me it looked so bad. The other part of it is just PoE. I'm just assuming T3 town for now and one of flea/enchant recruited gives me that raya/umlaut/you is cult leader here, and I townread umlaut based on day one play.

If you're actually town here, look at it from my POV. I had already explained why I SRed Osuka and had made it clear that I was going to vote there imminently. I lay my vote. Enchant votes soon after, but right now Flea is acting scummy AF, which means Enchant's town equity is decent, so maybe the timing is unusual but nothing that seemed massively sus to me at the time

[Marky Mark]

Even if Enchant is scum here, which is a massive if, me laying a vote I had already stated I was going to lay and other players jumping on it to push a quickhammer through doesn't make my original vote part of that and I feel like you are bending the truth here to keep me open as a miselim option

[Marky Mark]

I do agree that Umlaut is towny and T3 was coutnerwagon to Raya so CL likely within Raya/Dwlee, and Raya seems more likely due to the fact that she didn't self-hammer yesterday

[Marky Mark]

I do agree that Umlaut is towny and T3 was coutnerwagon to Raya so CL likely within Raya/Dwlee, and Raya seems more likely due to the fact that she didn't self-hammer yesterday

[Dwlee99]

Marky you're going to have to convince me that t3 or umlaut is evil if you want me to think you're town.

[Dwlee99]

Well, if it's wrong we'll know soon enough! I don't see any realistic path to becoming more sure, particularly since Raya has no motive to even appear to coöperate with any investigation efforts today.

Non-CL!raya has motivation to appear like cult leader.

[Dwlee99]

Maybe she is hoping we WIFOM into not killing her.

[Marky Mark]

Marky you're going to have to convince me that t3 or umlaut is evil if you want me to think you're town.

I mean I think Raya is obvscum. Flea seems scummy too - his actions late D2 felt really quite scummy and was what made me second guess myself out of the Raya!CL solve. Honestly, rn I am SRing you fairly hard as I feel like you are trying to twist the timing of my Osuka vote against me, when I made it clear that I was planning to vote there imminently. IF you're town here then I guess maaaybe there's something whacky going on here like T3!scum and they were cross-bussing yesterday to distance, but that feels kinda risky. Tbh if that's the solve then it's probably just GG as that's so far out of left field

[Marky Mark]

I'm going to bed but happy to chat more tomorrow night. Take care all

[Dwlee99]

Luckily if we hit CL we get miselims because cult doesn't have a kill.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm getting reasonably confident that Dwlee is scum here as his position on me went from "meh" d2 to "this slot is definitely scum" today based on a town wagon that we were both on

It's about the quickhammer. Literally overnight for me it looked so bad. The other part of it is just PoE. I'm just assuming T3 town for now and one of flea/enchant recruited gives me that raya/umlaut/you is cult leader here, and I townread umlaut based on day one play.

If you're actually town here, look at it from my POV. I had already explained why I SRed Osuka and had made it clear that I was going to vote there imminently. I lay my vote. Enchant votes soon after, but right now Flea is acting scummy AF, which means Enchant's town equity is decent, so maybe the timing is unusual but nothing that seemed massively sus to me at the time

Elaborate for me, would you? You keep saying I'm scummy af but giving nothing to support it, it's almost like you're trying to counterwagon on the TPR.

[Flea The Magician]

This game is giving me a headache.

I'm still 99% confident in Dwlee here.

[Dwlee99]

Flea do you really think I'm the CL even if you think I'm cult?

[Dwlee99]

Oh now that dogs v cats is over I can ask what is similar to there that makes you think I'm evil. I don't do meta normally but you mentioned having seen me as scum before.

[T3]

VOTE: Raya