Cook wrote:Subject: Normal Queue Thread (Players and Mods)
My setup:Cook wrote:/in to mod a 13-player mini normal
Just something simple that won't be hard to track.
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oh well, i didn't expect something like that lol
so, thoughts : while 11:2 mountanious is theoretically balanced iirc, in practice it ends up being scumsided because of low scum density, and scum can just kill townie peoples
so, does adding a doctor on top of that fixes the issue? i don't really think so, because first of all, it's pretty hard to hit saves already, secondly, he could also be inclined to heal peoples he thinks are PR given the lack of information that it's a very low power setup, and then ultimately, he needs to hit 2 saves for it to really be useful
then of course, hitting a save could clear himself, but i'm not sure that on it's own is sufficient to fix the scumsiding parts, so yeah, imo it's scumsided? also it's pretty swingy but it's your design intention so i'm fine with thatWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (9/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Could toss in a Neapolitan and Rolestopper if there’s no way a low power setup works.
In any case, perhaps simplicity is key.Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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that wouls become quite a lot then tbh
waiting to hear on the feedback of others, but i'm having a few ideas for changesWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (9/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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yeah unfortunately i think i'm going to have to veto this one on just non-balance concerns. games in the normal queue have certain expectations for what the setups will look like, and this one is too expectation-defying such that it sort of goes against the philosophy of normal games. if you still wanted to run it as a closed, though, i would take it to the mini theme queue.
i'm normally supposed to always propose changes in each post but i think that the ball is basically in your court for how you want the setup to evolve from here.- Cook
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Thought this over, scrapped the old idea, wanted to make a neighbor-centric game.
Setup concept revolves around a hood that starts with only one player but gets bigger as time goes on, and a scum player infiltrates it later.Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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eww, that sounds like really pushing the limits of what's normal, it seems scumsided in a vaccum, but i'd advise against theorizing a whole new game altogetherWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (9/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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I think if you convert the novice neighbor into a regular neighbor the gimmick is fine.
It's light on town power and I expect NSG will ask you to add some."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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novice neighbor is questionably normal, as is activated neighbor (although a cool role for sure)
large neighborhoods are alright, isis is definitely correct regarding the town power though- Isis
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The wiki page for activated says activated turns any passive role into an active role.
Neighbor is also a normal role
If it's not a normal combination just because no one has used it on a normal game before then it will never be normal due to the logic loop. It seems pretty fine to me.
Novice neighbor on the other hand is juryrigging a modifier understood to modify actives to modify a passive do that's a no"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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yeah, i agree with you for the most part there. i would actually pass an activated neighbor in a setup, and i couldmaybebe convinced to pass a novice neighbor (although less likely). i guess part of the question though is what is even really the point? both from a broader setup perspective and from the individual perspective. is there really any strategic decision for a townie who gets activated neighbor as to whether or not to join the hood n1? and if it doesn't interact with any other roles in the setup, it sort of seems a little functionless. that isn't terrible, to be clear -- i generally consider red herrings to be a good thing to include in your setup, it just seems like a little bit of a waste of an interesting role.- Isis
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It'd be more interesting as a joat probably"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Mason lists a Novice Mason as a legitimate role.Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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correction: as a role-modifier combo that can work.
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to be clear: this setup is not passed and needs to be changed. town needs more power, and it seems to be the consensus that "novice neighbor" also needs to be changed. i also recommend that you either change the activated neighbor or alter the setup to somehow justify its inclusion a bit more- Cook
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yep. i'm still aware of that.In post 17, northsidegal wrote:to be clear: this setup is not passed and needs to be changed. town needs more power, and it seems to be the consensus that "novice neighbor" also needs to be changed. i also recommend that you either change the activated neighbor or alter the setup to somehow justify its inclusion a bit moreYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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sorry, just wanted to make sure. with you reposting the setup and the role list like that that's typically the sort of thing people do after the setup is finalized, so just trying to be clear.- Cook
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yepIn post 19, northsidegal wrote:sorry, just wanted to make sure. with you reposting the setup and the role list like that that's typically the sort of thing people do after the setup is finalized, so just trying to be clear.Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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Sometimes the wiki is a wiki. Novice neighbor is a no."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Alrighty. Convert that into aIn post 21, Isis wrote:Sometimes the wiki is a wiki. Novice neighbor is a no.Town NeighborYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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still need more town power, the hood is close to null in value i'd sayWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (9/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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ungate the cop?
make one neighbor BP?Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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