TemporalLich wrote:Here is my setup packet, edited because I forgot to include Results PMs:
Large Normal X: Large Normal With No Multiball
Modded by TemporalLich, backup modded by Cook
Playerlist:
Almost50
Spoiler: Alive
Almost50
Spoiler: Dead
No one... yet.
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Rules
(Adapted from northsidegal with some edits)
General
-Adhere to all site rules.
-Always play to win.
-Remember that this is a game - heated discussion is allowed, but personal attacks are not.
-Pretending to break the rules will be treated similarly as actually breaking the rules.
-Do not quote any out of game communication regarding this game - this includes but is not limited to your role PM, any PTs you have access to, and any other PMs I may send you.
-If you need to get my attention, please include "
@mod
" in your post or PM me.
-
This
(#0080FF) is my mod color. You can use it, if you want.
-
This
(#80FF00) is my mod color in PTs. You can use it, if you want.
-Do not use encryption, hidden text or excessively small text in your posts.
-Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.
-Day 1 will last for 14 days and all further days will last for 10 days, with night phases lasting 48 hours.
-Everyone can agree to a Fast Night to end the night earlier.
-Do not post in the game thread or any private topics following your death, with the exception of the dead thread. You may post a single contentless "Bah!" post however.
-If you have the ability to edit your posts, do not do so.
-My decisions are final. If I feel you are violating any of the rules, I will take the appropriate action.
-Speculating about why people replaced out is considered angleshooting and is discouraged.
-Try to spoiler animated GIFs and videos. Using images or videos as "serious" content is discouraged.
-Avoid using the L-word. Alternatives include eliminate, exile, and execute.
-As a general principle, whenever moderator action is required I will attempt to make the decision that has the least impact on the natural flow of gameplay. For example, force replacing instead of modkilling whenever possible.
-Have fun!
Voting
-All votes and unvotes must be in
bold
or in VOTE: vote tags, with vote tags being preferable.
-Votes in spoilers and quotes will not be counted.
-Abbreviations and nicknames are acceptable, as long as I can understand them.
-Exiles will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached. If no majority is reached before deadline, the day will end in a no elimination.
-Voting to end the day in a no-elimination requires only 50% of players, not >50%.
-Once a hammer has occurred, the game is in "twilight". Discussion may continue until I lock the thread but no further votes or unvotes will be counted.
Activity
-You are expected to make at least one game-relevant post every 40 hours. Players who go 40 hours without posting will be prodded.
-If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. Additionally, if I have to prod you 3 or more times, you will be replaced at my own discretion.
-Abuse of prod dodges will result in you being replaced at my own discretion.
-If you are going to be V/LA, please announce it in thread or PM me. If your V/LA will last 7 days or longer I may be forced to replace you. You may declare periodic V/LA (e.g. weekend V/LA).
-If you do not send me an action for the night, I will assume that you are not taking one.
Game Notes
-This is a Normal Game. Roles may only be from that list.
-At least one player has received the sample Vanilla Townie Role PM.
-This setup is guaranteed to contain only Town and Mafia alignments.
-All Private Topics have daytalk enabled.
-Scum do not have inherent multitasking.
-Scum are informed fully, they know each other's roles and may submit actions via PT.
-Sample VT and Mafia Goon Role PMs are listed here:
Where's the setup I don't want to parse it by reading every role pm. Did I miss it?
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
clarify what you mean by "full scum information enabled"? is it the "Scum are informed fully, they know each other's roles and may submit actions via PT." part of the rules?
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
i want to say just complete initial impression sightread that this is somewhat balanced? maybe even slightly on the scumsided end of balanced, honestly. making the loyal neighborizer simple is a serious nerf in a game with only 6 VTs, innocents from that are way way more valuable than "guilties" that really only force a claim. and apart from that the only real town power comes in the form of the watcher -- which is a powerful role, no doubt, but in large part is kind of a single-use in that it probably just trades 1 for 1 with scum, and in the worst case totally gets things wrong if scum use the ninja strongman and the roaming doctor targets the same person.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
That's the c++ decrement operator but now it looks like dashes for a list oops
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
In post 5, northsidegal wrote:clarify what you mean by "full scum information enabled"? is it the "Scum are informed fully, they know each other's roles and may submit actions via PT." part of the rules?
yeah, that would be the thing that puts the scum Role PMs in the Mafia PT
In post 8, Isis wrote:--simple
--compulsive
Then I like it a bunch
Simple Loyal Neighborizer is equivalent to a Neapolitan, while Loyal Neighborizer is equivalent to a Cop. The two are on very different power levels in my opinion. But yeah the scum have multiple ways to deal with a Watcher so Town might need a Cop analogue instead of a Neapolitan analogue.
Compulsive BG is an afterthought, I added it as a low power protective role. Though Roaming Doctor already can't follow the watcher so a base role BG might be better.
Below section is the setup as Isis wants it, I feel it might be a good idea but idk yet, want to hear nsg's opinion.
Setup:
Daytalk enabled
Inherent multitasking disabled
Full scum information enabled (this means scum know each other's Role PMs and can therefore submit their personal actions in their PTs)
17 Players
Mafia PT Cop
Mafia Alien
Mafia 1-shot Combined Ninja Strongman
Mafia Goon
Town Watcher
Town Strongman-Finder
Town Night 1/2 Loyal Neighborizer
Town 1-shot Ascetic
Town Roaming Doctor
Town Backup Neighborizer
Town Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
This game is confirmed in signups to contain only Town and Mafia alignments.
Neighborizers occupy different neighborhoods (I assume this is the only Normal case).
Those look right except they're worded to imply multitasking for mafia.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
yeah these role PMs use a template from other games that use inherent multitasking so factional abilities are delineated from personal abilities
Editing that would require changing the sample Mafia Goon role PM.
Rules
(Adapted from northsidegal with some edits)
General
-Adhere to all site rules.
-Always play to win.
-Remember that this is a game - heated discussion is allowed, but personal attacks are not.
-Pretending to break the rules will be treated similarly as actually breaking the rules.
-Do not quote any out of game communication regarding this game - this includes but is not limited to your role PM, any PTs you have access to, and any other PMs I may send you.
-If you need to get my attention, please include "
@mod
" in your post or PM me.
-
This
(#0080FF) is my mod color. You can use it, if you want.
-
This
(#80FF00) is my mod color in PTs. You can use it, if you want.
-Do not use encryption, hidden text or excessively small text in your posts.
-Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.
-Day 1 will last for 14 days and all further days will last for 10 days, with night phases lasting 48 hours.
-Everyone can agree to a Fast Night to end the night earlier.
-Do not post in the game thread or any private topics following your death, with the exception of the dead thread. You may post a single contentless "Bah!" post however.
-If you have the ability to edit your posts, do not do so.
-My decisions are final. If I feel you are violating any of the rules, I will take the appropriate action.
-Speculating about why people replaced out is considered angleshooting and is discouraged.
-Try to spoiler animated GIFs and videos. Using images or videos as "serious" content is discouraged.
-Avoid using the L-word. Alternatives include eliminate, exile, and execute.
-As a general principle, whenever moderator action is required I will attempt to make the decision that has the least impact on the natural flow of gameplay. For example, force replacing instead of modkilling whenever possible.
-Have fun!
Voting
-All votes and unvotes must be in
bold
or in VOTE: vote tags, with vote tags being preferable.
-Votes in spoilers and quotes will not be counted.
-Abbreviations and nicknames are acceptable, as long as I can understand them.
-Exiles will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached. If no majority is reached before deadline, the day will end in a no elimination.
-Voting to end the day in a no-elimination requires only 50% of players, not >50%.
-Once a hammer has occurred, the game is in "twilight". Discussion may continue until I lock the thread but no further votes or unvotes will be counted.
Activity
-You are expected to make at least one game-relevant post every 40 hours. Players who go 40 hours without posting will be prodded.
-If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. Additionally, if I have to prod you 3 or more times, you will be replaced at my own discretion.
-Abuse of prod dodges will result in you being replaced at my own discretion.
-If you are going to be V/LA, please announce it in thread or PM me. If your V/LA will last 7 days or longer I may be forced to replace you. You may declare periodic V/LA (e.g. weekend V/LA).
-If you do not send me an action for the night, I will assume that you are not taking one.
Game Notes
-This is a Normal Game. Roles may only be from that list.
-At least one player has received the sample Vanilla Townie Role PM.
-This setup is guaranteed to contain only Town and Mafia alignments.
-All Private Topics have daytalk enabled.
-Scum do not have inherent multitasking.
-Scum are informed fully, they know each other's roles and may submit actions via PT.
-Sample VT and Mafia Goon Role PMs are listed here:
In post 17, northsidegal wrote:as a secondary reviewer i actually don't have to sign off on a setup for it to pass. that being said as far as i can tell this one seems fine.
your conception of what a backup neighborizer is is flawed. it shouldn't by default start out in the first neighborizer's neighborhood.
I thought it was clear in the setup info that the backup neighborizer was in a separate neighborhood - apparently not
the question that remains is how do I make it more clear there are two neighborhoods in the PMs, right now the two neighborhoods are named by the Neighborizer that adds players into it
if there were only one neighborhood the backup neighborizer would of course need to be in the same neighborhood as the N1 N2 loyal neighborizer - which I am not sure is Normal and the setup was designed for two neighborhoods anyway
I might instead just call them something like Neighborhood A and Neighborhood 1 so it can be deduced by someone looking at the Role PMs that there are two neighborhoods.
NSG knows normal mechanics a little better than I do probably, but I don't think a neighborizer starts with a neighborhood at all? A neighborhood is created the first time they successfully connect with a shot I thought. It matters in a way different from a notes PT: A neighborizer who doesn't shoot night 1 either is or isn't a miller to a PT cop. I always understood neighborizers to not be vulnerable to PT cops until they connect.
With that in mind/if that's correct, the best name for the neighborhood would be the name of the two players that are in it when it begins due to a [first] successful shot.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
Maybe there are starting neighborhoods though i would research but I gotta run an errand
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
