I'm pretty sure it was written before the Combined modifier existed so I think it's the latter.In post 49, Dwlee99 wrote:This is what I was referring to. The wording is ambiguous on whether listed means "the first one in the role" or "the first one in the list" imo.
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It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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You are right though, maybe that should be reworded.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I would assume it doesn't see the rolecop since it's coming from that player. Voyeur looks for actions you are not performing, otherwise you'd get a result every time from the voyeur seeing itself. And agree that the first one is the list is what is checked and not the order in the role.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!-
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Couple things:
- The role is listed as Mailman, but the PM says Announcing Mailman.
- The Traffic Analyst would get a positive result on the mailman even if he's the last mafia alive.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!-
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Might be nice for the neighbor PM's to explicitly state whether they have daytalk.
Other than that and the things Chaos mentioned, looks good. (I'm not positive, but I think if you do make the mailman announcing, if they attempt the kill and it's protected, the target will learn they were targeted by the kill.)It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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/passIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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This might be more balanced and less swingy because it makes it so the cop can't "confirm" people as scum unless they had claimed VT (because loyal with no result heavily implies you targeted scum) and also the cop can't confirm other power roles as being town.
The traffic analyst being novice also prevents there from being more than 2 conftown into day 3, which helps with swing. Maybe we could reduce the amount of scum power to account for these changes but I think that the best case for town power roles is too good.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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One-shot simple cop is a pretty big swing based on if it hits a vanilla or not. What about keeping the TA novice but changing the cop back to loyal?
Could also do gunsmith if you're concerned about guilties.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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True, I was thinking gunsmith as an alternative to loyal or simple. That setup seems fine.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I think removing loyal helps scum a bit, no result is going to be treated like a guilty if loyal, so having it be a regular 1-shot cop and getting no result from the ascetic is more likely to not be pushed as a guilty.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!-
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5x VT
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