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Or even:
I'm sure this game is about to get off to a flying start.
Vote: Bruce because she looks like she might eat my wattle.
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Same here, Bruce, and also when I heard this particularly memorable ballad...farside22 wrote:
The first time I heard it I fell out of my seat laughing.imaginality wrote:Ah that song, the epitome of romance...-
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Singing the wrong song, indeed. If I didn't know better, Bruce, I'd think you're trying to start an argument.Bruce wrote:Nah, Bruces, you're singing the wrong song. Here's the right one-
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Can I quote you on that?Bruce wrote:
That is one of the worst puns I've ever heard.Bruce wrote:
Well there's no need to be suspicious of Bruce this game, then... 'cos she's 'armless...Bruce wrote:I have no arms or legs, but I will head-butt you. And I will win!
Are you related to Mr Polpotter by any chance?Bruce wrote:
No it isn'tBruce wrote: You know it will just get worse from here being the game that it is.
Muauahahaha my plan is working
*looks around for a man stroking a pig fondly*-
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1. Very silly =/= far too silly.Bruce wrote:Vote: Imaginality
1.) Far too silly
2.) fibbing about post restriction?
3.) All this Bruce nonsense is much too difficult to follow
2. Nope. If I was going to fake something, I'd fake something less likely to annoy people and draw attention to myself.
3. Not at all, Bruce. I call everyone Bruce toavoid causing confusion.
I just have to talk normally... well, where normally = like all us philosophers at the University of Walamaloo talk when it comes to people's names. I don't know why you're finding it so difficult to understand, Bruce: it comes naturally to Bruce, Bruce, new Bruce and myself.Bruce wrote:AH, now I get it. Everyone is Bruce. Imaginality = Bruce.
I don't understand the posting restriction... do you just have to mention Bruce in every post?
unvote Bruce; vote imaginality
(My prom date's name was Bruce. For reals.)
Bruce wrote:Because I couldn't remember who posted the role originally. Didn't remember it having been posted by Shaft.ed, also couldn't find it last night to check. Besides, it's in a thread that Imaginality must have read at least part of as he posted in it. I wanted to see his reaction to be accused to of a fake restriction.
And what do you make of how I reacted?
By the way, I do remember reading that post. And thinking, "That's an amusing idea for a role." That's before I wasgiven the roleand discovered how easy it is to forget to change the quote tags. But I've got the hang of it now, just as well really - after all, I wouldn't want to cause any confusion by not calling everyone Bruce... yep, it's much clearer this way.-
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Bruce wrote:Well you screwed up some vote tags. So that's one.
If you mean post 97, it's okay for me to quoteother peopletalking about people. Not everyone here is enlightened enough to call everyone Bruce, and I don't have to change what they've already said if I quote them.
The reason I call everyone Bruce is actually connected to the kind of philosophy I teach - logical positivism.
Y'see, Bruce, following on from Wittgenstein's conception of philosophy as a "critique of language," and his exploration of the possibility of distinguishing between intelligible and nonsensical discourse, I call everyone Bruce partly to demonstrate that sense and truth are both attributes of languageas it is used, not of languagein itself.The sentence, "Bruce is a wally, but Bruce ain't a wally," sounds contradictory, but when you're here in the room with me and I tell yer, "Bruce is a wally, but Bruce ain't a wally," you know exactly what I'm talking about. Thespeech-actis intelligible even though thesentenceis,prima facie, nonsense.
That's also why I don't feel the need to call other peopleoutside this game'Bruce': since speech-acts are temporally and spatially contextual, it's only you lot here who are all 'Bruce' to me.
Hope that's made it all clear. Want a beer, Bruce?-
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I'm guessing if you're the homicidal barber you probably wouldn't be so quick to draw attention to that episode...Bruce wrote:On a side note. I propose a little hunt. What are we hunting for? Why, my role of course. I will give you a clue as to where it is. It is located in the episode "The Ant, An Introduction"
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Hmm... the only number that comes to mind for me is 10, the number Socrates was wearing when he [img=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2kAnTZBnTg]scored the winning goal[/img] against Germany...Bruce wrote:Albatross!
Lucky Greek number, all I can say. Decipher it please!
Albatross!-
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[quote="Bruce"]The town needs to get rid of people through voting, and it appears that he's only capable of voting one person...who isn't even in this game.[/Bruce]
I'm not entirely useless... my vote for Bruce is a genuine vote (albeit, a random vote). It wasn't for you, Bruce, it was for Bruce. The mod knows who I'm talking about.-
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I'm not sure about the second one, but from the first quote I'd guess that Bruce is either a Spanish guitarist or dancer, or, and perhaps more intriguingly, the person who writes the subtitles. The Spanish guitarist and dancer sung the line subtitled as "llamas are larger than frogs" in this sketch.Bruce wrote:Ok, finished my search... I have come across two interesting quotes. in post 75 he said
and in post 134, he saidLlamas are larger than frogs
I don't know what either of those mean, but I ask the other player to analyze them.But revealing your role this early in the game would be an entirely bad play, and thus, is the best play a person could make on Day 1.-
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Oh and by the way, a useful index of scripts for all the sketches can be found here in case anyone needs it, with the scenes listed alphabetically and also by series and episode.-
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I'm intrigued by the fact that Bruce has 4 votes but is coloured red, suggesting he will be lynched if the votes stay as they are at present, even though I (somehow) have five votes against me. I'm wondering if Bruce is maybe a 'hated townie' (one less vote needed to lynch) or something of that sort.Bruce wrote:The Not-So FlavorfulVote Count:
JordanA24(4) Azimuth, The Internet, farside22, Iron Man
imaginality(5) TheSweatpantsNinja, strappado, elvis_knits
I was still getting my head round it then (first time I've played with a post restriction).Bruce wrote:I'm not inclined to believe Imaginality's post restriction because he was really not paying much attention to it in pre game.
You can't see my post restriction? You haven't noticed that I've been calling everyone 'Bruce'?Bruce wrote:I am confused by all your random voting and references to things I have no idea. I still don't know who Bruce is and why you though imaginality had a post restriciton, because I couldn't see one.
A question to others: do you think one of us should offer Bruce the smokes and matches he's been asking for? Clearly it's likely to have an effect on the game somehow, and probably a silly one, but if he is anti-town would he be so open about wanting them?
(Also, if he is scum, and a scum buddy could offer him the smokes and matches, they would likely have done so already. So, it seems to me that either he's town, or he's scum but has to beg for smokes from non-scum players. So... what if we agree toalloffer to sell him smokes - and if Bruce is scum, then anyone who doesn't offer smokes to him (assuming we agree on that course of action) would be under suspicion.
...Actually on second thoughts, if he's scum then maybe he's just not allowed toacceptsmokes from scum buddies (but they can offer them), in which case that approach wouldn't help. Sorry, just thinking aloud here.)
Still, what do others think about whether we should give Bruce the smokes and matches he seems to need?-
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Bruce wrote:Anyway, I'm honestly not sure what we're looking for here. Should we assume that the flavortext is mostly meaningless and we aren't looking for the silliest?[...]
I still say we get rid of Imaginality to eliminate the Bruce confusion.vote Bruce
I join the others who pointed out that voting me just because I'm confusing/silly is not good scum-hunting at best, and suspicious at worst.
As for the flavourtext, if you watch the episodes with the Colonel, his reason for interrupting and ending a sketch is always that it's "got (too) silly". (The end of this sketch is a good example.) So, naturally that would be the Colonel's reason for removing whichever of us we decide to lynch. I don't think it means that the people who seem silliest among us are most likely to be scum.-
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I found this filesharing site thing which looks like it has that episode in .rar format (series 4 episode 4), as well as the other episodes, so you can probably download it from there I'm at work at the moment so I can't download it here to check that it works, but it looks promising. (Obviously with the caveat that filesharing of copyrighted files is of dubious legality and may result in a large foot stomping on your head and whatnot.)Bruce wrote:It's sad that even with the wonders of the Internet some of the best Monty Python sketches are still not freely available for the unwashed masses to view. One of my favorite sketches is Piston Engine, yet only a 21 second clip is widely available online. Can you help a sad mod find the rest of this magnificant sketch?-
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My votes count, Bruce. It's just that my vote always shows up as being for Bruce, no matter who I vote for, since I call you all Bruce.Bruce wrote:Also, if you read my reasons for voting Imaginality[...] I said that if he can only vote for a player that is not in this game (i.e., "Bruce"), then he wont really be a contributing member of the town when it comes to lynchings and whatnot. I'm reconsidering my stance as there is apparently a Bruce somewhere in the game.
That said:
unvote, vote: Bruce
I experimented by voting you just now to see if that would show against you, since you already had a couple of votes against you, but it looks like my vote will always get listed separately. If you pay attention to my posts though, it should be reasonably clear who my votes are for.
unvote
As far as I know the only Bruces in the game are all you fellas (and me of course), there's no other Bruces about, so I reckonyouhave to vote for people by the names you call them by. (That's why Bruce's vote for Bruce just now didn't count towards the vote count, I assume.)
So rest assured, Bruce, I can and will put my vote to good use to lynch the scum wherever we find them.-
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Bruce has it right. Just in case anyone is still in any doubt... my vote is not useless; my vote isBruce wrote:@Strapado,my vote for Bruce did not count earlier only imaginality's vote for bruce counts aparently. Your vote don't count for him eitherno more valuable and no less valuablethan anyone else's (single) vote. Whenever I vote for Bruce, I'm voting for a specific person. Because I'm pro-town I will always try to make it clear who I am voting for, within the bounds of my post restriction.
It's particularly important for me to try to make it obvious who I'm voting for because, since my vote always gets listed separately as being for Bruce, if I join a wagon, from the vote count it may look like the person being wagonned is at L-2 (for example) when in fact they are at L-1. So if I ever cast a vote and you're not sure who it's for, feel free to ask.-
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I'm with you both on wanting to know Bruce's full claim. I have a few thoughts about what it might be but much better to hear it from the announcer's mouth first.
Re. Bruce's lurking, I think we shouldn't ignore Bruce's 12-word point that Bruce also hasn't said much to date, making her comment post 252 more than a little (or perhaps I should say 'un per'?) cheeky.
As for Bruce's confusion, he's struggled to find things to say in other games I'm in with him too. It's definitely more blatant in this game though, and I think his not being familiar with Monty Python is also not likely to help us later down the line.-
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Bruce wrote:Hell, you're totally shaping up on your post restriction to the point I barely notice it anymore.
Cheers, Bruce, and cheers, Bruce.Bruce wrote:I actually understood all this.
Hmm, well looking back, she has posted a bit more than I remembered but more so earlier in the game than lately, so I thought it was a little cheeky for her to just post a one-line endorsement of Bruce's challenge to Bruce to 'post some content' rather than add anything extra herself.Bruce wrote:Why is DBE (bruce) scummy in all this?
While we're on the topic of people who could be contributing more than they are, Bruce is also worth mentioning in that regard. I'm sure you know who I mean - he's done nothing so far except random vote, roll a die to see whether to vote me, and post a couple of video links. I'm pretty keen to hear more from him, too - his thoughts on who looks scummiest to him so far and why, or something, at least.-
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Well, Bruce... imagine that you're forgetful when it comes to names. So to avoid getting people's names mixed up, you call everyone 'whatshisname'. "Hi whatshisname, how are you? Have you heard from whatshisname lately?"Bruce wrote:im confused who is bruce?
Well, that's what I do (due to a post restriction), except instead of calling you all "whatshisname", I call you all 'Bruce'. Including myself.
If you're still confused, watch this sketch; I'm one of those Aussie philosophers.
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Bruce wrote:The posting of sketches in every post I could see, but a sudden backwards talking restriction. There should be no reason for it to happen out of nowhere
I disagree. I think if his vote restriction was real, he would have learned from seeing all the questions and doubts I got about mine, and preemptively explained his own already, in the backwards post if not before. It's certainly possible that he might be able to explain it, in which case I'll rescind my vote, but for now, the fact that it came so out of the blue and without any attempt to explain it before or since seems reason enough to vote him. If he has a good reason for it, he really should speak up soon.Bruce wrote:Anyway, I dont think Luigi Gangster warrants a vote until he's explained and answered questions.
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Hmm, this is interesting. Are you claiming to have a post restriction, Bruce? And if so, then as Bruce asked you in post 279, how does your post restriction if any relate to the relative lack of content in your posts?Bruce wrote:I do apologize for the lack of content. Has no one considered the fact that Bruce and Lord G. aren't the only ones with restrictions!?-
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320 posts in the game so far, and counting, and you can't find a non-random reason to vote anyone, or be suspicious of anyone?I personally don't believe in the first day lynch because i don't see how we can no very much about anyone before the night phase. So i tend to have fun on the first day, and as the game goes on and i learn more about the game setup i start getting more serious as I actually understand what is happening.
I was gonna try a dice roll in my next post but i am not going to do that now because you guys will probably call it a faked post restriction and add it to your list of reasons for voting for me.
I live in a desert but even I know that this smells fishy. If you've read your role PM why are you still unsure whether your character has any special abilities/restrictions?my character seems to be a pretty cool guy but i am not sure if he actually does anything or has any special abilities/restrictions.
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Wow. A lot has happened since last time I checked in!
Expect a fuller post later, only on for a few minutes right now. To answer your questions about my post restriction, it was very clear: I'm allowed up to threeaccidentalmistakes per game day without penalty, if I slip up any more often than that (or makeany deliberateattempt to to get around the restriction) I get modkilled.-
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Hello again, just got back from the sheep dip.
My thoughts.
The fact that Bruce counterclaimed Bruce makes me much more inclined to believe him rather than her, because as others have pointed out, scum would be very dumb to counterclaim like that otherwise.
One question I have about that, which maybe someone with more experience can answer: is it normal for scum to (effectively) come out with their fake-claim so early on? The reason I ask is that to anyone with a bit of knowledge of Monty Python it was very obvious from very early on what character Bruce was appearing to be, due to her continual colourful insults. That seems like a pretty big risk for scum to take when there's a decent chance another player might have that role? It also makes me a little curious as to why Bruce didn't pressure her and/or counterclaim earlier.
I also wonder whether (and again this may be bad tactics so don't hesitate to tell me if this is a silly idea) rather than lynch Bruce today and then lynch Bruce tomorrow if Bruce does turn out to be telling the truth about her role, we might be able to find out more if we let them both live tonight? It seems handy to know that we have another maf already in our sights if we can find a different maf to lynch today. (Don't get me wrong: if we decide to lynch one or the other of them, I definitely agree that Bruce is the one to lynch first, I don't think it's a 50-50 call by any means.)
Certainly, I don't think we should rush to a quick lynch of Bruce when several other players still have significant questions to answer, such as the issues around Bruce's partial role claim. His latest post, voting without reading in detail and without addressing the questions he's been asked, is very suspect, and he really needs to address the roleclaim questions one way or another.
I also find Bruce's claim to still not have found anything worth talking about really, really hard to believe. He seems happy enough to pipe up when people are asking him direct questions, but is contributing nothing otherwise. Silliness and suspiciousness are all around us, Bruce,surelyyou havesomethoughts on which of your fellow players seem dodgiest?
As for Bruce, after reading his latest posts, I'm now inclined to believe that he wasn't faking a post restriction. His backwards post did come around the same time that a couple of others were joining in with me in calling people Bruce, so there's some reason to believe his claim that he was just experimenting/being silly with that post. On the other hand, I continue to find him suspect for the other reasons I mentioned earlier, particularly his comment that his "character seems a cool guy but I don't know if he has any special abilities/restrictions". Bruce, could you comment on why you said that - surely your role PM would tell you whether or not you have special abilities or restrictions? (I'm not fishing to knowwhatthey are or aren't, I don't want you to roleclaim, I'm just curious why you made it sound like you're not sure what your character does.)-
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It's good to see Bruce posting again. He raised some interesting points in his comments on the quoted posts from Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce and Bruce. (Oh, and Bruce. )
In the Bruce versus Bruce, claim versus counterclaim debate, I'm now willing to vote for lynching Bruce today, because after thinking about it from Bruce's perspective, his decision not to counterclaim earlier makes more sense than I first thought, making me more convinced that if one of the two is scum, it's Bruce (whether or not Bruce is also scum remains an open question).
Also, further justifying seeing Bruce as the scummier of the two: Bruce's claimed post restriction, which amounts to "I have to contribute nothing much most of the time, but if I come under suspicion I can defend myself properly," seems like the kind of post restriction a non-town player would be more than happy to fake for herself.
Unvote; vote Bruce- I know this places her at L-1 (eek, the first time I've voted someone to L-1! ) but someone has to... and I think lynching her today is more than justified given Bruce's counterclaim; none of the discussion since has changed that basic fact. We've also stirred up a lot of questions and talking points about other players, none of which will vanish overnight, so I don't think we'd be ending the day too early.-
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If we take that option, I think there are three possibilities:
1. Bruce is modkilled and day ends
Net result - this is slightly worse than lynching Bruce, because we don't get to see who casts the L-1 and hammer votes.
2. Bruce is modkilled and day doesn't end
Net result - this is good if Bruce's alignment is confirmed: if Bruce was townie we can lynch Bruce for counterclaiming her, if Bruce was scum we can lynch another scum. (However, this is pretty bad if alignment isn't confirmed; I assume mods usually confirm players' alignments when modkills are made, but is that always the case?)
3. Bruce isn't modkilled, but claims to have received some other penalty
Net result - this depends on what she claims the penalty is; it's possible that the penalty might be somewhat confirmable, but also highly possible that it isn't easily confirmable (if it's loss of night action, for example), in which case we'd be no further forward than we are now. So overall, this is probably no better or worse than lynching.
Personally I think that 1 is the most likely option by a fair way, followed by 3, so I think we're more likely to lose slightly rather than gain from testing her claim, but how do others see it?-
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Even with my laidback Aussie philosopher outlook on life, I find myself becoming more and more tempted to take a fish in each hand and slap Bruce in the face with them until he starts contributingsomethingto this game. I agree with Bruce that Bruce (and Bruce) aren't the lynch for today, but the longer Bruce's non-participation continues the more anti-town it becomes.-
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I was expecting the announcer to be one of the mod's personae. "Day 2, and now for something completely different..."
I agree with you Bruce; at least, I'm not sure that it is to our advantage if Bruce completes his claimBruce wrote:<<waits on ironman
(I think he should only finish claim if it would benefit the town. What does everyone else say?)now, compared to at the start of day 2. If he completes his claim now, that might just help the mafia with their night choices (e.g. target him if he has a useful power role)? He should at least respond though and say something on the matter either way.-
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Hi all. Good to be back for a bit, filling in for JordanA24. At least this time I don't have to double-check my quote tags each time I post.
A longer post is coming soon, for now, I agree with The Internet that those with claims should reveal their targets and results. It would also be good to know whether anyone was visited by the bridgekeeper last night. (I wasn't.)
SpyreX if Mirth is untargetable, hard to see how she could have been NKed? Another possibility might be that the 'self-target' in Self-Target Role Blocker refers to her target i.e. she roleblocks them by reflecting their action back on themselves.-
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I'm also here, still reading, work has been mad busy this week annoyingly, but this weekend is totally free so expect a detailed post from me by this time tomorrow. Apologies - had hoped to get my teeth into it sooner than this.
farside, I think you've misunderstood Azimuth, at least, I took him to be challenging Lord Gurgi's implication that not voting is a scum tell, by saying that (in general, not just in this game) not voting at the end of days when a townie is lynched is not a scum tell. (Whether or not that's true, I don't know.)
chenhsi, what do you think about how people reacted to your recent post commenting on the night kill? Do you have any useful insights, questions, anything to contribute to the scum hunt?-
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Okay, I see there's quite a bit of posting going on at the moment. So I'm rushing a little to get these thoughts out there, hope they read clearly. Will post more in my next post.
Thoughts on a few players:
Azimuth
That answer is a bit evasive. You don't have to 'invent some crazy new topic', you can further the scumhunt by offering insights, arguments and suggestions (and yes, questions) on the main issues, rather than simply summarise and agree with what's already been said.Azimuth wrote:
I don't quite agree with this characterization; how is asking questions not hunting? It's true that most topics weren't started by me, mainly because nothing happened to me overnight -- unlike, apparently, many others -- and I was mostly trying to catch up with the posts of those others and make sense of them. There are only so many topics that can be brought up, after all; I'm not going to invent some new crazy topic just to satisfy someone else's idea of hunting.Lord Gurgi wrote:I notice that he has never done any scum hunting of his own, only followed what the town has been saying and asking an occasional question. This makes me lean to the scum side.
I also didn't much like your posts during Day 2 where you said:
andThe only possible thing that I can think of is that Iron Man's ability (giving someone else's night choice a random target, if I have that correctly) seems quite chaotic, and not one that could be used effectively in any pro-town capacity. But does that mean he's mafia?
because I think it is pretty clear that in a Monty Python theme game, there are going to be at least a few roles capable of creating chaos and confusion, and there's no reason to assume that such a role would be given to a scum player rather than a townie. So you giving that as your main reason for (almost) voting Iron Man doesn't sit well with me.Just chiming in to say that I was quite close to placing a vote on Iron Man too, mainly because his ability doesn't seem to be pro-town (but also for the other reasons -- lurking, possible contradiction, etc.)
And then there's the not voting thing that Lord Gurgi mentioned, which on Day 2 does look bad: by saying you're suspicious of Iron Man but not going to the extent of putting a vote on him, you conveniently look good whether he turns up scum ("See, I said he was suspicious") or town ("See, I didn't vote him").
chenhsi
Semi-lurking lazy village idiot. And then commenting on the night kill to boot. The only thing in your favour right now is that you've had five votes land on you so quickly that there seems a fair chance of scum being on that wagon. On the other hand, since there appears to be two anti-town groups (scum and SK or scum and cult, or possibly even scum and SK and cult), you might still be scum from a different faction to those on your wagon.
The Internet
As with Azimuth, I disagree with you here:
Assuming mafia try to avoid targeting people they think the doc will protect, randomizing mafia targets would make them more likely to hit someone protected, not less, and also could cause them to kill their own scumbuddies! So I don't see Iron Man using his ability (or trying to) on K7 (who was looking fairly suspicious) as a bad thing.Beause his claimed ability is of very little use to the town (randomize the targt of town power role screws up plans, randomizing mafia targets could lead to hitting someone unprotected), and a good townplayer should know this, so why would they choose to use their ability if they were town? But this abilitycan sew chaos, maing it useful to the scum. So Iron Man, why did you target killa 7?
In general I agree with strappado, you seem to be fishing for info, but not driving a case against anyone. I also think your saying "HOS: Chenshi" when you meant strappado might be more than a random slip, especially as you're not on his wagon.
Also re. your recent post, no, Darla's wagon did not move too fast for you to vote her if you'd wanted to. Right now I like farside's case against you, and I think you may be teamed with chenhsi and DBE.
elvisknits
Just one minor quibble - you said:
Not true, it would only have been L-1 if you'd voted at the time of the post farside quoted (post 560).I never voted for DBE because it would have been the hammer and people were asking not to end the day yet.-
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K7 looks pretty suspect to me. I believe his role claim and power, but not his alignment.
Things that stand out:
- lurking most of Day 1
- hammering DBE without reason and before Iron Man could claim
- post 669 and 705 basically say "I hammered DBE because she was scum" which is not an explanation and doesn't answer Mirth's question of why he didn't wait for Iron Man to claim. He didn't answer that, or Mirth's other question about how his lurking could help town. And now Mirth's dead...
- post 659 "Poker what action did strappaddo do last night?" - I'm not sure a townie would be so quick to basically out himself with that comment (it was obvious that he'd have to roleclaim to explain that post), more useful for a townie to keep quiet and then (a) back up PokerFace's claim to have tracked strappado if PF decided to reveal that, or (b) challenge PF why he didn't reveal it, if PF kept quiet and looked scummy for other reasons, or (c) get PF to confirm his role claim if he came under pressure and had to claim.
- post 846 "im guessing Iron mans action didnt work btw" and then
- post 861 "you claim you targeted me? yet my night action went as planned.
explain"
- choosing Mirth to track someone when Mirth was arguably less likely to be doc protected than other players (so less chance of getting results) (that's arguable I know, just my opinion) and (b) Mirth got killed. It makes me wonder if, even if his power is true, he chose Mirth knowing she'd be killed, to avoid giving the town more information.
Right now I'm giving serious thought to the possibility that K7 hammered early Day 1 so that Iron Man didn't have a chance to claim, and then his scum buddy roleblocked Iron Man so they could get him lynched Day 2. And then they lynched Mirth who had been suspicious of K7.
Problems with this: why would K7 use his role to help PF track strappado? (I don't think PF is scum.)
Possible explanation for that: he's not allowed to use the power on his scumbuddies (I could believe that, it would be another splash of silliness in the game), or he might be SK in which case he has no buddy.
Hmm, i think there's enough there for me toVote: killa seven-
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Night one, K7 said he targeted PF to track strappado, and PF confirmed that he'd seen strappado visit SpyreX. So if K7 was lying about being able to send one player to track another, then PF would also have to have been lying. This is separate to PF's own night action, with which he targeted Elvis night 1 and you night 2.-
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PF - there's no scene with Brian rolling dice in 'Life of Brian' that I know of either, and I can remember that movie pretty much word for word... ...so I guess it's either a play-style thing or perhaps he did it to lead astray anyone who tried to guess his role.
Very interesting to see the Albatross postings from Gurgi in the other game, well done for digging that up. The rules listed at the start of this game don't state whether or not the roles were randomly assigned. I'm with elvis -ifthe roles were randomly assigned, the odds of Lord Gurgi happening to be the one person from 18 to get that role seem too low to be believable.-
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My reasons for K7 are the ones I gave in post 1055, my reasons for chenhsi, Azimuth and The Internet are in post 1050. And in the case of Azimuth his posts since then come across as trying a little too hard to paint the picture of him as a helpful townie trying to keep up with a fast game, which is why I listed him above The Internet.-
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No, I don't think PF is K7's scumbuddy - PF definitely seems town to me. (If I had to guess between neither of them being scum, or both of them being scum, I'd guess neither.)
I don't think K7 is lying about his night action: for K7, as scum, to have the night power of sending one player to track another, seems suitably unusual and I can easily believe shaft.ed might give him that role, especially after seeing Iron Man flip town it seems like something shaft.ed might do.
For K7 to question PF in the way he did seems more likely something scum would do (thinking that getting their night action confirmed will help clear them from people's suspicions) rather than a townie (revealing their power role before they had to). That combined with the other points in post 1055 is why I think K7 is scum.
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My take on the cult:
It's possible that there's no cult and shaft.ed threw the Cult Unrecruiter role in there to lead us astray, but I don't think it's likely. If I had to guess, I'd say that the Spanish Inquisition are the cult, and that they can kill on even nights and recruit on odd nights (or perhaps have the choice of which they do each night), which would explain why there were two kills night 1 and one night 2. Certainly flavour-wise, it makes a lot of sense for the Spanish Inquisition to be the cult.
If it's a scum group (Evil Egocentrics) and a serial killer, then they either double-targeted Mirth night 2, or there was a roleblock or doc save or something. Personally I think scum + cult is more likely, but I haven't played in other games shaft.ed's modded, so I'm drawing these conclusions just based on the flavour and events in this game so far.-
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What about the possibility of it being another scum but from a different group? I.e. a member of mafia group A counterclaiming a member of mafia group B? I know we only had one kill last night, but there could have been a doc save, so I don't think we should yet rule out the possibility of there being two mafia groups.SpyreX wrote:So, personally, with a double claim like this my thought process would be:
Town 40%
Scum bussing Scum 40%
SK 15%
Cult 5%
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I agree with Azimuth: K7's been actively lurking the whole day. Whether or not we lynch chenhsi, he's definitely becoming even more suspect in my eyes.
As for chenhsi, his reluctance to claim yet is interesting, because he showed no reluctance to claim in other games I'm in with him and he flipped town both times in those games. This game he seems somewhat more nervous to. Look forward to hearing what he claims...-
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