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[Almost50]

GOOD JOB, everyone. I'm so proud of you. Now let's try to out the other 2 PRs before the end of page.. erm.. five??

For Pagetop

[Not_Mafia]

I'm going to allow town to direct my shots

[Three]

Bad idea. Scum have a Doc, if we call out the target and you would hit scum they just protect them. If you would hit town they can still protect them for the WIFOM. And if you're fake claiming Vig but you're still town, they can Watch your target to see if you actually are Vig.

Just shoot the scummiest slot tonight so scum can't anticipate who to target and just default to protecting themselves.

[Three]

Also VOTE: UglyDuck

[fua]

Considering his track record I’m not inclined to believe N_M unless there’s no counterclaim.

[Three]

Nobody should publically CC. NM gets naturally resolved tonight. If he's true claiming then mafia deals with him. If he's fake claiming then the real Vig's bullet will be the CC.

[Dwlee99]

Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay.

VOTE: Dwlee99

So you ARE a simp for them.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can we flash wagon Not Mafia?

That's tempting, but I think we can also wait for him to be replaced out.

Alice, Uglyduck, and Jackson are the only three that came in and posted without giving a vote. Could it be that they don’t want anything to be traced back to them?

Not posted yet: Andres, Kyouko, Not_Mafia, and MargotRosa.

VOTE: Uglyduck[/c]

Discuss.

Imagine thinking first-post votes actually matter

[UglyDuck]

Can we flash wagon Not Mafia?

That's tempting, but I think we can also wait for him to be replaced out.

Alice, Uglyduck, and Jackson are the only three that came in and posted without giving a vote. Could it be that they don’t want anything to be traced back to them?

Not posted yet: Andres, Kyouko, Not_Mafia, and MargotRosa.

VOTE: Uglyduck[/c]

Discuss.

I don't do RVS.

[UglyDuck]

Nobody should publically CC. NM gets naturally resolved tonight. If he's true claiming then mafia deals with him. If he's fake claiming then the real Vig's bullet will be the CC.

Agree that if they are not Vig, then real vig should not CC.
However, the rest of it is not that simple.

[JacksonVirgo]

Nobody should publically CC. NM gets naturally resolved tonight. If he's true claiming then mafia deals with him. If he's fake claiming then the real Vig's bullet will be the CC.

Agree that if they are not Vig, then real vig should not CC.
However, the rest of it is not that simple.

I would normally say that vigilante should never counterclaim and just shoot them instead if possible, and I usually would not have an issue with an early likely-meme claim but in this specific setup, but with a mafia watcher and doctor that could very well be a play to get N_M shot and possibly healed to get the vigilante outted and kill them off early.

Not saying that's what I believe is happening, but it's one possible play that I do not want to have overlooked.

[UglyDuck]

Considering his track record I’m not inclined to believe N_M unless there’s no counterclaim.

This is obviously implying he has "done stuff like this before". Has he done this... stuff like this? Save me some time please, and just help fill in the meta for someone that does not know it.

[UglyDuck]

I personally find shooting early as town vig to be kind of a negative utility role use - am I alone on that one?

[JacksonVirgo]

Considering his track record I’m not inclined to believe N_M unless there’s no counterclaim.

This is obviously implying he has "done stuff like this before". Has he done this... stuff like this? Save me some time please, and just help fill in the meta for someone that does not know it.

NM is very much a chaos-based player.

[JacksonVirgo]

I personally find shooting early as town vig to be kind of a negative utility role use - am I alone on that one?

It

is

more likely to kill a Town, but so is by day-elims. Vigilante is essentially a town-controlled elim so not using it can also be seen as negative utility, again from my own standards.

[JacksonVirgo]

I personally find shooting early as town vig to be kind of a negative utility role use - am I alone on that one?

It

is

more likely to kill a Town, but so is by day-elims. Vigilante is essentially a town-controlled elim so not using it can also be seen as negative utility, again from my own standards.

In other words I like to think, if it's got more chance of killing scum than not at all, go for it unless it is super detrimental to the Town. Although, take this from someone who hasn't played in this sites meta in a while and in a different community.

[Dwlee99]

Shooting gives us two chances to get an extra town-controlled kill, so it's good

[JacksonVirgo]

Shooting gives us two chances to get an extra town-controlled kill, so it's good

I said this :'c

[Dwlee99]

Did you mention that we can get an extra one though

Cause if you're on odds and you only get one shot it isn't another town controlled kill cause you use an elimination

You also get conftown though in a closed which is good

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you mention that we can get an extra one though

Cause if you're on odds and you only get one shot it isn't another town controlled kill cause you use an elimination

You also get conftown though in a closed which is good

What do you mean another one? We get the day-elim and the night-elim. We don't get more than that no?

I am so confused by what you are saying.

[Dwlee99]

I don't want to bog down the thread talking about this but the idea is if you're on, say, 6 - 2, and you lim someone, you enter night 5 - 2 (or 6 - 1), and then you end night on odds (scum kill + vigilante kill) giving you, say 3 - 2, which is an extra town kill than if the vigilante didn't shoot and you entered the next day 4 - 2 (which is still ELO of some form w/ or w/o the vig shot)

[UglyDuck]

I don't want to bog down the thread talking about this but the idea is if you're on, say, 6 - 2, and you lim someone, you enter night 5 - 2 (or 6 - 1), and then you end night on odds (scum kill + vigilante kill) giving you, say 3 - 2, which is an extra town kill than if the vigilante didn't shoot and you entered the next day 4 - 2 (which is still ELO of some form w/ or w/o the vig shot)

I mean.... that is arbitrary.
The fact is that when you shoot at a point in the game when you do not have a realistic potential to have a good grasp on who could be skum, it is highly more likely that you shoot town than skum. That removes a town vote for all following days that would of otherwise been there. That removes potentially a Town PR. That removes someone that could of been voted for and then used as VCA. That removes a lot.

So like... this set up is what 3 v 10 right? So that means like a "goooood player" day 1 has (and yes this is arbitrary) but let's say like a "3/8" chance of hitting skum (remove self and remove someone that "must be town").

Especially with a Doctor in play for skum. Brings the whole "was I JKd, was that the JK target, was that the mafia skum target" thing into play... which is just gonna out the JK most the time.

Now all of that is from my POV and I got no idea really how people play and meta and all that, so that obviously is a factor I cannot take into consideration.

Then there is the added value of *not* offing any town, then getting to a more limited field and using the power then with more information.

Like, what is the value on Day 2 lets say, of having two town kills at night when we don't know the next day who killed who? Will it be useful down the road? - yep! Will it be more useful than not having that other town player alive? - nope!

[Dwlee99]

Okay let's no lim

VOTE: No Lim

After all, we are more likey to kill scum than town here

[Dwlee99]

Town than scum*