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[Lukewarm]

Last post was Marci

But yeah.... You claimed you doctored us two nights in a row....

[The Bombay]

Last post was Marci

But yeah.... You claimed you doctored us two nights in a row....

[The Bombay]

@Mastina, I wanted to see yours and T3's reaction to the Ivan case, but I kinda already disproved it.

After I saw the Ivan case, I followed up with the mods, and asked if scum could use two abilities in the same night. Specifically, I asked if Suri could use their self-redirect and their roleblock at the same time (the mods seem to answer questions on flipped characters pretty freely btw). The answer was no. A player can use one personal ability and one factional ability in the same night.

That means that you could not have used a messenger ability and a bus driver ability on the same nights.

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Here is my mechanical argument for T3: the chess game.

T3 has claimed that they were a strong willed doc vs Dwlee's strong willed cop. And that is the balance, either way town gets one fairly powerful role each night from the chess match.

Well, for starters I think that a strong-willed cop is MUCH stronger then a strong-willed doc at base. But once you factor in the poison, it is not even a question. As long as Rogue was alive, the strong-willed doctor was functionally useless.

I asked T3 if his ability would stop the poison kill, and his response was that he did not know.

Well, I asked the mods if Rogue's ability would be stopped by a doctor, and I was told that Rogue's ability would not be stopped by traditional protective roles, unless the ability explicitly says otherwise (see StrangeMatter's role wording). So, if his ability COULD bypass the poison, he would have known it from his role PM

I also don't think that there is a scum role that similarly punishes the cop. Suri was immune to the cop on night 1, but the cop would have gotten a result on someone else in that scenario. Rogue had nothing to hinder the cop. The last scum has to be a redirector/bus driver, and again, the cop is still getting a result, just not on their original target. Compared to the doc that

So now every single day that this game played out until the day we eliminated Rogue, it was a Strong-willed cop that sometimes gets results on targets that are not his intended target vs a strong willed Vanilla townie that visited people to mess with the watcher and tracker.

I refuse to believe that the mods made the chess game hard punish T3 (and the rest of his alignment) for trying to win the chess match, and therefore he has to be scum.

[The Bombay]

bombay is scum, because mastina is town.

I also find is suspect that he is not even looking at the case for you OR thinking about what Ivan's case meant for the world of scum!Bombay.

Like, there are questions on how LLD was Roleblocked and how Rogue performed the kill while jailkept. Neither thing could have been done my either flipped scum (suri was already dead, and we have rogue's flip). So it had to come from the final scum's ability.

Does he think that I did it?

Town T3 would have seen me tell him to flip a coin between protecting me or Mastina night 3 - and specifically told him to not tell us which he did - and then seen me claim my watcher result to Ivan in our hood before most of the thread had claimed (including him).

Spoiler:

I was actually trying to manipulate him into protecting mastina so I could see him on my watch btw, I did not say that I was watching mastina and actually implied that I was going to watch strange matter. I thought that if he suspected me he would not want to protect me, but might go onto mastina in that scenario.

So, was I bullshitting my watcher result, gambling the game on T3 not protecting mastina, and that no one else targeted mastina in any way?

Or am I a watcher that had their result, but also managed to do some tomfoolery with the jailkeep, despite players not being able to use two personal abilities on the same night?

[The Bombay]

I am ready to vote when every you guys are tbh. I have poked all of the things I wanted to poke with a stick already

Unless anyone else has any questions or things they want to discuss?

[mastina]

I have not asked the mods, but Ivan said that she did ask. She said their take was that modifiers resolved before a bus driver, and confirmed that a loyal player could target someone of their same alignment, and then be bus driven to someone of the other alignment.

She said their take was that modifier

checks

resolved before a bus driver

It causes the role to behave as though it were roleblocked unless the target has the same alignment as the user.

This is the wording on the wiki
Ivan confirmed that in this scenario the "target" would have been rogue, and the loyal check would pass prior to the bus driver happening.

What the FUCK, Cabd/ffery.

If a COP targets a player and is redirected, their result is "your target". TARGET. On the REDIRECTED player.

If Cop A targets player B and is redirected to player C, the cop doesn't receive a result on player B; the cop receives a result on player C. And the cop's result is "you target (which in this case is player C) is...". Target.

RESULTS ARE BASED ON WHO YOU HIT NOT WHO YOU TARGET.

But I suppose there's not much point in debating this until postgame. Suffice to say, I

should

be conftown here

if the mods used the rules that they

should

use

. But I digress, it's not hunting for mafia.

bombay is scum, because mastina is town.

Uh.

T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?

i protected you

VOTE: T3

[The Bombay]

Mastina, every post you make makes me want to reconsider you being scum. But I am coming to the conclusion that maybe I naturally scum read your posting style (see FGO 2)

If you are scum, I guess I will owe penguin an apology,but I really did look into her case.

VOTE: t3

[The Bombay]

Also, T3 has just managed to out scummy you as well.

[Shiro]

Vote:T3

[Shiro]

Ivan if we are wrong I am sorry

[Lukewarm]

Fingers crossed

[morph the cat]

Vote Count 5-2

T3

(3): mastina, The Bombay, Shiro

Not Voting

(1): T3

With 4 alive it takes 3 to eliminate

Deadline: February 9, 11:00 PM US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-02-09 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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An Elimination Has Been Achieved!

[morph the cat]

Spoiler: T3 was

Welcome to Subreddit Mafia!

"My 4 and 6 year old kids enjoy playing chess, so I made them a board and pieces from scrap wood"

You are r/chessporn

Your Abilities are:

• Your voice and your vote
  
• Each game day you will face an unknown adversary in a chess game. The side who goes first on Day 1 will be decided by a random roll. Thereafter, the chess player who goes first will alternate each day.
  
• Each game day, the White side will have 24 hours in which to make their first move. The Black side has 24 hours in which to make their response. The player who takes the least amount of time to make their move gains one point. This will continue for 5 turns. At the end of 5 turns, if one player has lost fewer pieces than the other, that player wins the day's tournament. If they have lost the same number of pieces, then the player who earned the most points is the winner. If you are the winner, you will be able to use your night ability that night.
  
• If the game day ends before the match has reached 5 moves each, and the white player has made one more move than the black player, the game day will go into a twilight period until the Black player makes their final move.
  
• If the game day ends before the match has reached 5 moves each, and both chess players have made the same number of moves, the day will end normally and the winner will be declared based on number chess pieces remaining on the board OR via tiebreaker based on how many points each chess player has accumulated.
  
• Your night action is Strong-willed Doctor. Your protect cannot be redirected or blocked.

Your Win Condition is:
You win when all threats to

Town

have been eliminated or nothing can prevent that from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying to this PM with your alignment, and with the bolded line from the rules in the game thread.

[morph the cat]

A Win Condition Has Been Achieved!

[morph the cat]

r/AsheMains joins the top growing Subreddit communities!

Spoiler: Mastina was

Welcome to Subreddit Mafia!

Ashe, in pencil!

You are r/AsheMains

Your Abilities are:

• Your voice and your vote
  
• You have a factional Private thread with Rogue and Suripoko here: (link)
  
• You are a Hawkshot (E) messenger. You can send a letter to a player each night. The letter has a 100 character limit. Three successfully delivered letters grants you a public crier role, also with 100 characters limit.
  
• "If you successfully deliver a letter to a player, on the same night you can become their puppet master and redirect that player's night action (if they have a targeting action) to the player of your choice. Any other abilities targeting this player, including your own message, will be passed to that third party. You can use this puppet master ability two times."
  
• Your public crier ability, if accomplished, will have 3 shots in total.
  

Your Win Condition is:
You win when

Mafia

acheive numerical parity with

Town

, or nothing can prevent that from occurring.

Please confirm by replying to this PM with your alignment, and with the bolded line from the rules in the game thread.

[morph the cat]

The Bombay was killed on Night 5

Spoiler: The Bombay was

Welcome to Subreddit Mafia!

Roland is ready for Christmas

You are r/CatsInBusinessAttire

Your Abilities are:

• Your voice and your vote
  
• On odd nights you may choose a player to watch and see if anyone visits them. You will learn who visited them, but not what action was performed on them.
  
• On even nights you may choose to commute, which will prevent the action of anyone who targets you that night from taking place.
  
• You are all business and it shows in your writing. Your posts must have correct punctuation, capitalization and basic grammar (no run on sentences and no sentences fragments). If you break this posting requirement more than 4 times in a game day, you will lose your night action that night.

Your Win Condition is:
You win when all threats to

Town

have been eliminated or nothing can prevent that from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying to this PM with your alignment, and with the bolded line from the rules in the game thread.

[morph the cat]

Spoiler: Shiro was

Welcome to Subreddit Mafia!

"ADCs that come back for you <3"

You are r/yuumimains

Your Abilities are:

• Your voice and your vote
  
• YOU AND ME!: On night 0, you must choose another player. You will neighborize that player. For the rest of the game, until they die, you are counted as being hidden behind them. This means all actions (excluding killing actions) targeting them will affect you as well. If your partner dies at any point, you must choose a new partner during the next phase. If you do not choose a target in time, one will be randomized for you. The act of pairing up is a game mechanic that exists outside normal action resolution, and as such cannot be avoided, redirected, or blocked.
  
• FINAL CHAPTER: Your partner's abilities can be modified with an additional modifier. They will not be informed of the modification. You have the following modifiers:
  
• 1x "Loyal"
  
• 1x "Announcing"
  
• 1x "Disloyal"
  
• 1x "Loud"

Your Win Condition is:
You win when all threats to

Town

have been eliminated or nothing can prevent that from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying to this PM with your alignment, and with the bolded line from the rules in the game thread.

[morph the cat]

The Mafia Team of

Suripoko

,

Rogue

, and

Mastina

have won!

And

jjh927

left the game a winner on Day 3!

[morph the cat]

Night (and Day) Actions and Events

Night Zero:

Rogue - Chooses Zaun - Their factional kill will be delayed poison that kills at the end of the following day
Shiro - Hides/Neighborizes Suripoko

Day 1 (end):

Ivan's random neighborhood is LLD, Shiro
The ship parts jjh977 is searching for are sent to LLD, T3, Strange Matter, and The Bombay.
T3 loses the chess match, and will default win the matches and gain the strongwilled doctor ability from Day 2 onward.
Dwlee99 wins the chess match, but is eliminated Day 1, so can't use the strongwilled cop ability.

Night 1:

LLD takes phoenix form - will be bulletproof the next day and night phase
Suripoko self-redirects to LLD (succeeds)
Skitter makes Day 2 follow plurality elimination rules (succeeds)
The Bombay watches Skitter (fails because jailkept)
Ivan parity cops LLD, Shiro (succeeds, they are the same alignment)
StrangeMatter jailkeeps The Bombay (succeeds)
jjh sends pikmin to LLD, skitter, and mastina (succeeds, collects one ships part from LLD), the other ships parts vanish from their keepers' care.
Mastina sends anonymous message to jjh (succeeds)
SirCakez wasn't targeted, so doesn't copy anything
Shiro gives Suripoko the announcing modifier (succeeds)
Suripoko kills skitter (succeeds)

Day 2 (end):

Ivan's random neighborhood is LLD, StrangeMatter
The ships part jjh is searching for are sent to LLD, T3, Rogue and SirCakez

Night 2

LLD switches to Panther Form (day targeting tracker) (fails due to redirected jailkeep)
The Bombay commutes (succeeds)
Ivan bodyguards LLD, StrangeMatter (succeeds, bodyguard doesn't work on poison)
StrangeMatter jailkeeps Rogue (succeeds, redirected to LLD)
jjh searches T3, Rogue, SirCakez (succeeds, collects 3 more ships parts, leaves the game)
T3 strongwilled protects LLD (succeeds, but doc protect doesn't stop poison)
Mastina sends message to Rogue, redirects Rogue to LLD. LLD receives message (succeeds)
SirCakez wasn't targeted, so doesn't copy anything
Shiro hides/Neighborizes Mastina. Uses loyal modifier (succeeds)
Rogue poisons LLD (succeeds)

Day 3 (end)

Ivan's random Hood is T3, The Bombay

Night 3

The Bombay watches Mastina (succeeds, sees Shiro visit Mastina)
StrangeMatter jailkeeps Shiro (fails, Shiro can't be targeted because he's hiding behind Mastina)
T3 strongwilled protects The Bombay (succeeds)
Mastina sends message to Rogue, redirects Rogue to StrangeMatter (fails due to disloyal modifier)
Shiro give Mastina disloyal modifier (succeeds)
Rogue poisons StrangeMatter

Day 4 (end)

Ivan's random Hood is T3 and Shiro

Night 4

The Bombay commutes (succeeds)
T3 strongwilled protects The Bombay (fails because of the commute)
Mastina sends message to T3 (succeeds)
Mastina kills Ivan (succeeds)

[morph the cat]

Spectator/Dead Discord Server: https://discord.gg/A7Z73Gun8q

Shiro's Role-Based Neighborhoods:

Shiro & Suripoko viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88495&p=13197480#p13197480
Shiro & Mastina viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88583

That Idiot Ivan's Role-Based Neighborhoods:

Shiro and Lady Lambdadelta viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88527
StrangeMatter and Lady Lambdadelta viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88576
T3 and The Bombay viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88614
The Bombay and Shiro viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88642

The Mafia PT

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88476

[morph the cat]

Thanks so much for playing! Your subreddit picks were delightful and fun to work with and it was a pleasure to design and run this game for you!

It will take a little while to compile all the postgame info and make all the PTs public. We'll announce with links to the relevant posts once all that's done.

Topic reopened...

[Lukewarm]

Well Shiro, we owe penguin an apology

[penguin_alien]

Ego post. (I'd announce myself more but Lukewarm did that for me... )

Congrats to the Mafia team and jjh!

Thanks for the game, morph! More specific flattery later.

[penguin_alien]

Well Shiro, we owe penguin an apology

You do not, to be clear. You play your game, and as long as you play in good faith and with decency, you're fine. Win some, lose some.

[StrangeMatter]

GGs.

I wish we eliminated Rogue earlier instead of Cakez but eh.