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[morph the cat]

Spoiler: That Idiot Ivan's role

Welcome to Subreddit Mafia!

"I know it's not unexpected but I love this sub. Merry Christmas (almost)"

You are r/unexpectedfriends

Your Abilities are:

• Your voice and your vote
  
• Every night (except night 0) two players other than yourself will be chosen at random and given a neighborhood together. The name of the PT will be in the format of "Cabd and Fferyllt are Friends" This portion of your role is a game mechanic and ignores all passives and actives that are otherwise in the game. You will NOT have access to this PT.
  
• At the start of night, when the PT is formed, you will be given the names of the two players chosen. You may then choose one of the following actions:
  
• 1x Bodyguard (Targets BOTH players)
  
• 1x Parity Cop ("These players are aligned" or "These players are not aligned")
  
• Unlimited Usage Join the PT
  
• Once you have chosen your action, you will be given access to the PT. If you chose one of the limited shots, you will not be announced but can still view. Posting in the PT unless you chose "Join the PT" will role block yourself.

Your Win Condition is:
You win when all threats to

Town

have been eliminated or nothing can prevent that from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying to this PM with your alignment, and with the bolded line from the rules in the game thread.

[morph the cat]

Vote Count 5-1

Day 5 Begins!

Not Voting

(4): The Bombay, T3, mastina, Shiro

With 4 alive it takes 3 to eliminate

Deadline: February 9, 11:00 PM US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-02-09 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[The Bombay]

T3, I take it you protected Mastina over Ivan? What were you thoughts in making that choice?

Shiro, do you have any way to stop hiding, or are you locked in forever?

[The Bombay]

Oh, and who was in Ivan's pt? Anything interesting happen over the night?

[The Bombay]

Oh, and who was in Ivan's pt? Anything interesting happen over the night?

Turns out it was me...

The mods did not send us the link, and this post is what alerted them to it.

[The Bombay]

T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?

[mastina]

Spoiler: Rogue was

Welcome to Subreddit Mafia!

After watching Arcane:

You are r/Arcane

Your Abilities are:

• Your voice and your vote
  
• You have a factional Private thread with [REDACTED] here: (link)
  
• During Pregame you must choose a side: Piltover or Zaun.
  • If you choose Piltover, you will have a 1-shot Ninja and a 1-shot Strongman modifier when you make the factional kill.
    
  • If you choose Zaun, when you make the factional kill it will be a Poisoning that kills your target at the end of the following day.

Your Win Condition is:
You win when

Mafia

achieve numerical parity with

Town

, or nothing can prevent that from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying to this PM with your alignment, and with the bolded line from the rules in the game thread.

So this flip should remove all the doubt around me and 100% prove beyond a shadow of a doubt why I am conftown.

Do I need to spell it out for you?

[mastina]

T3, I take it you protected Mastina over Ivan? What were you thoughts in making that choice?

Shiro, do you have any way to stop hiding, or are you locked in forever?

Respectfully, I believe that Shiro shouldn't share any role details.

While we are in Mylo with two conftown, as a precaution, we shouldn't let the scum know what they are up against.

It's like 99% just T3 here (the 1% being that it's you, Bombay), but in the very VERY unlikely event that we're wrong, better safe than sorry, and it's safer to not give the scum a roadmap for how to win.

[mastina]

Also yes, my crier ability was unlocked, when not phoneposting or dealing with my room's rat infestation, I'll send a message.

[The Bombay]

T3 scum lololol

[The Bombay]

It's like 99% just T3 here (the 1% being that it's you, Bombay)

Sure, from your pov. From my pov it is 99% just T3 here (the 1% being that it's you, Mastina).

Ivan typed up a mechanical way it was still you in the hood over night (you can confirm it exists with Shiro if you would like).

It also explained how LLD was roleblocked the night she was poisoned and how Rogue performed the poison kill on LLD despite being jailkept by StrangeMatter.

I have out lined my thoughts on it for Shiro in our hood, and basically I still think it just makes sense for it to be T3.

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Asking Shiro if she can stop hiding determines if we can no kill today or not. Which, is fairly relevant in my opinion.

If she cannot stop hiding, we have to decide today.

If she can stop hiding, then we can no kill, and hedge against the 1% chance of you being scum.

Telling us this does no harm, since we never enter another night phase if she is locked in.

[Shiro]

I cant stop hiding unless the person I am hiding behind dies.

[mastina]

Ivan typed up a mechanical way it was still you in the hood over night (you can confirm it exists with Shiro if you would like).

Why am I not surprised that after the way people bullshitted a reason for me to not be conftown was literally modconfirmed false by the scumflip,
That Ivan invented another reason for me to not be conftown?

This is literally like saying a cop clear isn't conftown because "it could be a godfather", seeing a godfather flip, and then coming up with some form of bullshit to keep the accusation going rather than accepting that maybe, just MAYBE, a player who is conftown is actually fucking conftown.

I'm town by play; I'm literally conftown from role mechanics; literally the only reason to not conftown me is based around violation after violation of occam's razor that, after being proven wrong, is replaced with a different violation of occam's razor.

There is no simple solution for me being scum.

Because the simplest explanation is that conftown is just conftown.

[T3]

T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?

i protected you
idk whether the poison us stopped by my doc
i was fine letting the thread think rogue was guilty

[Lukewarm]

T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?

i protected you
idk whether the poison us stopped by my doc
i was fine letting the thread think rogue was guilty

You protected me... when I am a commuter, who was commuting...?

Please ask the mods if your ability would stop the poison.

[The Bombay]

This is the big part of Ivan's case.

Night Two Actions:
Ivan bodyguards LLD and Shiro
We commuted
T3 Doc's LLD

Shiro makes Mastina Loyal
Mastina Successfully gets a message to LLD through the loyal

LLD Attempts to change forms - is roleblocked

StrangeMatter uses a jailkeeper on Rogue.
Rogue poisoned LLD

We have some questions here:

Who roleblocked LLD?
Why did Rogue's poison land?

Ivan's conclusion, and I agree, is that the last scum's ability made the jailkeep from StrangeMatter land on LLD

It seems unlikely that the third scum had another role block, since Suri had one, and a role block does not answer the question of how Rogue managed to carry out the kill while jailkept.

So, someone moved StrangeMatter's the jailkeep from Rogue -> LLD

The roles that could do that would be Bus Driver, Deflector, or Redirector.

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So, I think we can say that the last scum has one of those abilities. So, the question was, T3 or Mastina.

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Ivan landed on you, Mastina. You were loyal, and you targeted Rogue (who was scum). And everything moved to LLD. It moved your message and it moved the jailkeep (and if bus driver over redirector, then it also moved the poison kill that Rogue aimed at themselves).

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The alternative is that T3 is a redirector. He CANNOT be a bus driver in this scenario, because it would have moved your message to Rogue when he moved the jailkeep to LLD.

[The Bombay]

(Shiro I don't know if you are checking our thread, but I sent you a message in there)

[The Bombay]

T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?

i protected you
idk whether the poison us stopped by my doc
i was fine letting the thread think rogue was guilty

This being T3's entrance to the day makes me want to yeet him on the spot.

Not literally on the spot, but god

We are sitting in MELO, and he is the most likely elimination by an order of multiple magnitude, and he doesn't come in with an idea on how/why it could to be either me or Mastina?

[mastina]

The roles that could do that would be Bus Driver, Deflector, or Redirector.
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So, I think we can say that the last scum has one of those abilities. So, the question was, T3 or Mastina.
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Ivan landed on you, Mastina. You were loyal, and you targeted Rogue (who was scum). And everything moved to LLD. It moved your message and it moved the jailkeep (and if bus driver over redirector, then it also moved the poison kill that Rogue aimed at themselves).

That wouldn't work.

Loyal is a passive/modifier. It exists at every level of the order of operations. It cannot be made to succeed on someone that it shouldn't succeed on. Loyal is not based on who you TARGET; Loyal is based on who you HIT. LLD got my message, so is provably who I HIT with Loyal. (And happens to also be who I targeted but that's beside the point.) It doesn't matter if I

had

been redirected, Loyal trumps redirect because Loyal is a passive/modifier to a role and not something that works on initial target but on final target.

Plus, miscellaneous actions are after redirect actions per NAR. The action would never land on Rogue in the first place because it'd be redirected

before

landing on Rogue, not after.

[The Bombay]

I have not asked the mods, but Ivan said that she did ask. She said their take was that modifiers resolved before a bus driver, and confirmed that a loyal player could target someone of their same alignment, and then be bus driven to someone of the other alignment.

[The Bombay]

She said their take was that modifier

checks

resolved before a bus driver

[The Bombay]

It causes the role to behave as though it were roleblocked unless the target has the same alignment as the user.

This is the wording on the wiki

Ivan confirmed that in this scenario the "target" would have been rogue, and the loyal check would pass prior to the bus driver happening.

[T3]

bombay is scum, because mastina is town.

[T3]

i have said previously that mastina is town.

[The Bombay]

You don't believe that though. If you did why do you keep using your doctor heal on us and letting us boss around your night action?