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Mega Gladiator is too much influence on game, too stronge
Stuntman is unfun
Mod Desc Role Shuffler was ruined by giving it Survivor wincon, survivor is a terrible alignment with no player agency and it is unfun to play as
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VOTE: Town Mason
VOTE: Town Dolphin
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VOTE: Mafia Tomato
VOTE: Town NK-Immune Miller Vigilante
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You'd enjoy playing Jester.In post 81, MegAzumarill wrote:As I moved here from TOS I actually enjoy Survivor because I just use it as an excuse to troll
It can be fun but it's mechanically really badtime will end- TemporalLich
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viewtopic.php?f=83&t=88497In post 82, TemporalLich wrote:
You'd enjoy playing Jester.In post 81, MegAzumarill wrote:As I moved here from TOS I actually enjoy Survivor because I just use it as an excuse to troll
It can be fun but it's mechanically really bad
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If no alignment is stated and it is a modless game, otherwise the alignment is up to mod discretion.In post 70, MegAzumarill wrote:
Grand Idea rules state that if no alignment is stated it is assumed to be town, iircIn post 64, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I'd suggest preserving the original wincon if it's stated, otherwise to not include any alignment (making a note that it's up to mod discretion)
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Not really? It's actually pretty bad in most circumstances, because 99% of the time the choice is going to be to lim the mega gladiator, not every other player. It has utility in cases where there are a bunch of 3p who don't mind dying, a bunch of mafia vote shenanigans roles, or some doubt as to whether multiple other players can survive an elim.In post 75, TemporalLich wrote:Mega Gladiator is too much influence on game, too stronge
Still not really a strong contender though.
As for Stuntman being unfun, you've clearly never been in a game where the mafia didn't think they could trust each other. Just the possibility of it existing makes great in game interactions happen and the secondary wincon is very unlikely to actually proc. In a game that already has absolutely no chance of balance it's perfectly reasonable.
Survivor self hammering is literally against site rules, so... Vaguely agree that survivor is probably not a desired faction in a GIdea game, particularly because survivor is very hard to make into a reasonable role.
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what if the role shuffler stole alignment as well, so that it didn't keep the survivor wincon?Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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If Stuntman double-won if their faction wins without any Town eliminations it would be worthy of voting.
As written, Stuntman is a negative utility role without any benefits as Stuntman has no incentive to not eliminate Town (as a win is a win). Stuntman is the worst form of negative utility and isbastardfor imposing a hidden wincon (this applies even for double-win Stuntman, which is a better designed version that actually sows doubt in a scumteam and enables a 4D chess strategy to double win).
49's Role Shuffler is in my interpretation a mod discretion-aligned role that swaps roles (but not alignment, as the post says "role") with a target, meaning the role shuffler takes the target's role and the target becomes a role shuffler.
E.g. Player A (Town Role Shuffler) targeting Player B (Mafia Tomato) means Player A will become a Town Tomato and Player B will become a Mafia Role Shuffler.
Survivor Role Card Shuffler is more fun for whoever rands it but is a lot more chaotic as it causes alignment changes and the role basically becomes a hot potato as Survivor is a hard alignment. If it were an alignment changer, it would have all the implications of other alignment changers like Cult Leaders, such as what if groupscum got targeted or if the Role Card Shuffler or their target dies that Night. I still wouldn't vote for a role card shuffler, and I'd be unwilling to vote it with a balanced alignment.time will end- Jake The Wolfie
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(Also the gate of deconversion is opened)In post 88, TemporalLich wrote:Survivor Role Card Shuffler is more fun for whoever rands it but is a lot more chaotic as it causes alignment changes and the role basically becomes a hot potato as Survivor is a hard alignment. If it were an alignment changer, it would have all the implications of other alignment changers like Cult Leaders, such as what if groupscum got targeted or if the Role Card Shuffler or their target dies that Night. I still wouldn't vote for a role card shuffler, and I'd be unwilling to vote it with a balanced alignment.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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I meant like, a groupscum player who has partners is converted into either town or into another groupscum.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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that would be the "what if groupscum got targeted" scenario for Role Card Shuffler, as that means a groupscum becomes a Survivor.In post 91, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I meant like, a groupscum player who has partners is converted into either town or into another groupscum.time will end- Jake The Wolfie
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YEah, but you have the ability to shuffle role cards with another player, such as a townie, which means that you've effectively de-converted yourself from being groupscum to being town.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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that applies if you're groupscum somehow (like you were Culted), which is kinda broken actuallyIn post 93, Jake The Wolfie wrote:YEah, but you have the ability to shuffle role cards with another player, such as a townie, which means that you've effectively de-converted yourself from being groupscum to being town.time will end- Jake The Wolfie
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It may have taken 2 days, but you started out as scum and are now town. There's a reason why we don't have Scum to Town conversion. A town player who was converted from a groupscum player would have much incentive to spill who the scum are.In post 93, Jake The Wolfie wrote:YEah, but you have the ability to shuffle role cards with another player, such as a townie, which means that you've effectively de-converted yourself from being groupscum to being town.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Not even cult. It could be a Uniball Mafia Groupscum setup and yet through this role you could be effectively deconverted from Mafia to Town, which leads to tomfuckery.In post 94, TemporalLich wrote:
that applies if you're groupscum somehow (like you were Culted), which is kinda broken actuallyIn post 93, Jake The Wolfie wrote:YEah, but you have the ability to shuffle role cards with another player, such as a townie, which means that you've effectively de-converted yourself from being groupscum to being town.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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On second thought, while I don’t necessarily dislike the idea of stuntman it just seems so unlikely to matter that it probably wouldn’t effect games anyway, although I disagree with it being more bastard than GI inherently is. In practice, it just gives mafia the incentive to actually aim the lim at town instead of just away from mafia since they have no incentive not to claim.
I’d probably vote role shuffler if it were a savior for the person whose role they stole, but as a survivor it’s just kind of meh.
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