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[Dwlee99]

Assuming you're town I literally need to convince you I'm town to have a shot at winning the game. That is a "position I want you to adopt." Even if you're not town, I could convince muffin I'm town and cause it to at least come down to me deciding between you two instead of me possibly getting mislimmed, which is +EV

[Frogsterking]

Rhetoric is a tool that town and mafia need to use to be convincing. Those 3 links are my last three town ELOs

Okay I'll take a look. What do you want me to pay attention to specifically in these games?

[Andante]

Vote Count 3.1

Not_Mafia (1):

Frogsterking

Not Voting (4):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Dwlee99, The Muffin Man

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to reach a majority.

Deadline (expired on 2022-03-08 18:29:09)

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[Dwlee99]

That I'm using rhetoric while you claim that's scummy

[Frogsterking]

That I'm using rhetoric while you claim that's scummy

Okay reading now

[Frogsterking]

Nice hammers in 2259 Dwlee.

[Frogsterking]

Post 327 in the second link has an example of you using rhetoric as town at limlo.

[Frogsterking]

Oh no not this one. I've been linked to the White Flag game (the third link) before and it's not a pretty sight. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and just agree that you're rhetorical as town at limlo in this game.

Overall I'll give that you're rhetorical as town 33% of the time based on the links you showed me. Unfortunately the links you showed me are likely to be biased toward including moments where you were rhetorical as town.

If I were to take a random sample of 5 of your town limlo games played in the last year, do you still think you will probably be town and rhetorical at 33% of your limlos?

[Frogsterking]

I have another question for you Dwlee, why and/or when do you think Koba FoSed you D2? That's a genuine question, I've looked at D2 a couple times trying to figure that out.

[Frogsterking]

im gay and also have read none of the game

lets pretend its rvs VOTE: dwlee

ok dwlee is town :3

ignore dwlee they are just big mad i got them in a recently completed game >:)

its ok dwlee because i am confident I can deliver you a big old scum on a silver platter here hehe

i actually do this regularly on replace ins

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87680

you were in this game, i replaced in, refused to catch up at the start


viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88427

this is a recently completed game i replaced into, i also did not read any of day 1 when i replaced in, just the current page.

ok so dwlee what if i told you that i was confident on NM being mafia?

VOTE: NM

and id be willing to bet that the PoE circles around them if i were to put in further effort

we are absolutely not rushing this dayphase btw

Maybe now:

ok i read dwlee's full iso and they're lock town

IC

im saving thsi game with dayplay reads even though we wasted d1 lim on a pr

[Dwlee99]

Those were just my latest three, not handpicked, and I think I used rhetoric in all of them

As for why Koba scumread me: probably cause I got slanky? I was trying to PR tell there because they outed a PR read on me and I thought if we hit scum and had a conftown with two results in 5p we'd be set to win.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Not Mafia
If the team is muffin/frog I wasn't getting there. I think you're townie here so it's gotta be nm/muffin and I'll just blame the game on koba for being 0/3

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Whatever, we didn't deserve to win anyway

[Dwlee99]

I'm going to assume you're not literally game throwing so yay I was right

[Andante]

Vote Count 3.Final

Not_Mafia (3):

Frogsterking, Dwlee99, Not_Mafia

[HAMMRED]

Not Voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, The Muffin Man

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to reach a majority.

Deadline (expired on 2022-03-08 18:29:09)

[Andante]

Not_Mafia was eliminated. They were a...

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Spoiler:

Mafia Roleblocker

Night 3 begins now and ends in (expired on 2022-03-01 21:44:43)

- The Muffin Man, he has (expired on 2022-02-28 21:44:43) to check in with me or be replaced
- If ALL living players request a fast night, we can have a fast night (1/4)

- Day start will be delayed by a couple hours, should start by 10pm EST though

[Andante]

Frogsterking has been killed Night 3. They were a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Day 4 begins now!

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (3):

MalcolmTucker, Dwlee99, The Muffin Man

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to reach a majority.

Deadline (expired on 2022-03-11 23:12:32)

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[The Muffin Man]

Huh

Well that was easy

VOTE: dwlee

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Muffin man
Not sure why you didn't kill the literal conftown but thanks I guess lol

[Dwlee99]

I clearly had made inroads in convincing frogster, I have no reason to let conftown live and make it a 50/50 if I could bring it to Me/Frog/Muffin with a muffin that has no stated opinions and could possibly scumread frog

[The Muffin Man]

so I mean... in what way is that argument not equally applicable to me re:killing the conftown?

whereas viewed overall this is clearly an easier ELO for you than the alternative, but in particular this is a much worse ELO for me than the alternative

like frog was already susp of you, and was more active than me/more likely to be perceived as town, bringing malc instead is just throwing

my guess is that you weren't sure if you were making progress on frog and you weren't sure where I'd go, whereas I'm prob an easier target and this way you knew exactly who you'd be playing against

[The Muffin Man]

anyway @malc whatever dwlee or I say today should be taken with a big pinch of caution and tbh you should base the decision more on prior days/actions than the talking element today

that being said, if you do want me to clarify anything lmk but I think it's fairly obviously dwlee

[Dwlee99]

like frog was already susp of you, and was more active than me/more likely to be perceived as town, bringing malc instead is just throwing

Yea between this and killing Koba you are throwing, I agree

[Dwlee99]

Given you hadn't expressed a read by virtue of not being around at all yesterday, I have no reason to not at least try bringing frog here in case you scumread them over me. The only perspective it makes sense to bring conftown to ELO is when you know everyone's positions: which only you could have as scum because, again, you weren't around yesterday

[Dwlee99]

I think I'm not aligned with NM if you look at our joint ISOs. I mean I'm exasperated and annoyed at him claiming roleblocker for instance in the same way I was with house which is pretty clearly antiTMI that they were both not town PRs