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backup scum neighbor can existretired
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and it has been used beforeretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky- mastina
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Does a neighbor return a non-vanilla result to a vanilla cop?In post 24, Ircher wrote:Going by the wiki, the normal guidelines section for universal backup says it inherits any non-vanilla role of the same alignment. A neighbor would return a non-vanilla result to a vanilla cop, so it should be able to be inherited.
I have always treated neighbor (with nothing more) as, effectively, a modifier to the Vanilla Townie role. As, technically, being a Vanilla (Townie/Goon) Neighbor.
It's not a true power role; the NRG basically universally treats neighbors as power-neutral in games because neighbors do not add anything on their own to the game, barring niche game mechanics/roles being in play to make the neighborhoods have tangible value.- DkKoba
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i find neighbors to be moreso enhancers to players with social skillretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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if a strong scum player and a weaker town player are in a hood together, it creates a stronger benefit for town, for instance.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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for scum ***retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky- Ircher
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I checked the wiki page for vanilla cop.
By that definition, neighbors return a non-vanilla result to vanilla cops.Vanilla Cop is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. When the role is called "Vanilla Cop", Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and Serial Killers with no additional powers return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla".- DkKoba
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ircher, with knowledge that the UB isnt instant cleared, how would you classify it?retired
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since you did say thisIn post 23, Ircher wrote:
I am actually pretty sure that the opposite is true which may be a problem since universal backup --> neighbor effectively makes the slot confirmed town. I will see if I can find a reference for that tonight.In post 22, mastina wrote:
I'm fairly certain Neighbor does not count as a role for UB.In post 20, DkKoba wrote:And to be clear: if a regular neighbor dies, that inherits the role too, I am assuming.
If I'n wrong about that, everything else looks fine.retired
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"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky- implosion
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wdym?In post 34, implosion wrote:neighbors aren't considered vanilla, UB can inherit it. Technically something like a neighbor cop is a multirole. They're just another one of those roles that youcanformalize in a lot of ways but whichever way you pick you're gonna confuse someone.retired
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"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky- implosion
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For the purpose of this setup I'm saying this is correct:
In general I'm just saying that there's a formal notion of a multirole in normals and technically something like a neighbor cop was in a bit of a grey zone in terms of legality before that notion was introduced. It was allowed but I was always not really sure why, iirc.In post 24, Ircher wrote:Going by the wiki, the normal guidelines section for universal backup says it inherits any non-vanilla role of the same alignment. A neighbor would return a non-vanilla result to a vanilla cop, so it should be able to be inherited.- Ircher
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In that case, I'm fine with the setup. I would suspect that most people are still going to townread a Universal Backup --> Neighbor interaction, but with it not be clearing, I don't think it affects the balance significantly enough to bring it outside of balanced range. I don't have anything else to add that mastina hasn't already said.In post 32, DkKoba wrote:ircher, with knowledge that the UB isnt instant cleared, how would you classify it?- mastina
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I'm also good balance-wise but still need the role PMs/results/rules/etc.- DkKoba
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yup!
i'll write them up now.retired
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wdym by results/rules btw?
also that reminds me of the project i wanted to undertake to standardize all role PMs on the wiki so there's examples for everyone to go to, pls someone help me compile themretired
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oh also:
Built in multitasking: ON
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that was a bit of a given but yeah, doesnt affect the setup minus speculation on player's partsretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).
just putting in a VT PM for a baseline since I'm going to type them all up in here here goes.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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oh i didnt realize there would be the ability to just immediately snipe that mini spot and itd be mine and i was rushing to write up PMs .. i guess ill relax for now in that case ...retired
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was looking for a more standardized looking Detective role PM but couldn't find oneretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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All possible town roles are typed up:
Spoiler: Vanilla Townie
Spoiler: Town Neighbor
Spoiler: Town 2 Shot Gunsmith Neighbor
Spoiler: Town Universal Backup
Spoiler: Town Novice Detective
Spoiler: Town Even Night Jailkeeperretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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Gunsmith may receive in this game: Has gun, Does not have gun, or No Result
Universal Backup may receive a new role PM from the others, and if inheriting the 2 shot Gunsmith, will receive the number of shots left.
Town Novice Detective may receive in this game: Has attempted to kill, Has not attempted to kill, or No Result
That is it for town rolesretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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Mafia Roles:
Spoiler: Mafia Goon
Spoiler: Mafia Neighbor
Spoiler: Mafia Universal Backup Finderretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky- DkKoba
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UB finder, I am assuming based on how UB works, does not receive a positive result on the player that was UB after they inherit a role.retired
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