Mafia Universe Championships - Representative Nominations

[DkKoba]

oh I thought I replied

I thought I sent that it was a good idea

[Prism]

In a gesture to the mods we can also add a "Send No Representative" option

[DkKoba]

Catboi and Andante got an overwhelming number of noms. ND39 got exactly two, I'm not sure if anyone else did.

Can do a simple ranked choice voting, probably IRV style elimination. 1-2-3, no commentary or teardown needed. Build a candidate up if you want to.

Have the candidates confirm interest, give a deadline of like the 12th to give us some leeway and let the mods have a veto for behavioral concerns.

Mods refuse to serve as an objective, authoratative leviathan in the one place they should be are kicking the can to a group that is obviously never going to be completely unanimous.

At some point we just need something to work, and I think this does. If I get enough agreements/people are fine with the deadline suggestion and IRV voting I can just start it within the next day or two. If people are worried about me specifically posting deadlines whine at the mods to post a countdown and maybe they'll actually put a minimum amount of effort in.

sounds reasonable, and also nice that someone is stepping up.


edit: i found the tab where I had typed up the post I thought I sent lolol

[Gamma Emerald]

As a sign of good faith all of those people I normally refuse to get within 10 ft of-Gamma, Koba, etc.-it's open season, feel free to yes/no, insult my parents, burn down my house, etc.

Just completely sick of "Let the community decide" while refusing to set up even the most basic structure to allow for it.

I think your idea is fine. In fact, as it stands very little further deliberation is required, assuming we also have an alternate in place. In that situation, catboi + andante can be the representative + alternate, the question is which one they end up being.

[DkKoba]

Nancy deserves at least a vote, she also has experience on MU and in her last game with me, she had a really good PoE, just got drowned in mechs due to the setup itself and also uh my scumteam fearkilled her lol. I think she would be able to produce enough content to stand out and thus is a good candidate.

[skitter30]

I like prism's idea

[Prism]

I remembered the wrong deadline so I edited my tl;dr post to give more time for voting, 16th should be good. Deadline is the 23rd which gives one week for listmod veto, plenty of time to PM them privately about any behavioral/representational concerns from final selections.

I'll wait until the 5th for some more yes's and no's to roll in. Depending on the ratio I'll either just move ahead, pointing the no votes to the modteam for adamantly refusing to lend any structural assistance whatsoever and insisting on complete anarchy, or step back and let someone else give it a try.

Moving ahead would probably entail a new thread to make the votecount+deadlines front, center, and clean, along with a uniform mass PM to anyone who posted here inviting them to place a vote there.

[AniX]

Voting only as a user, that seems like a fair enough way of organizing this.

[Andante]

I'm not quite sure what's happening with this, but sorry I can't do it anymore. catboi and Nancy are both great people to send though!!

[Prism]

With Andante now out, does anyone really still want to go through a formal vote?

As much as I hate to scrap my own attempt that got consensus, there are now exactly two candidates left and the nominations are now overwhelmingly in favor of one player. I'm still willing to put up the hoops and pollbox if people want, though.

[DkKoba]

Talked with Nancy, they may be unable to play so probably reasonable to do Catboi - Rep, Nancy - Backup.

[PenguinPower]

Just a reminder of the criteria mentioned in the first post for a selected representative. The nominated player should meet all three of the following:

1. would want to participate, and;
   
2. the community would feel comfortable being represented by, and;
   
3. doesn't have recent ban history here (or elsewhere).

Please keep these in mind when suggesting or recommending someone to participate.

[Gamma Emerald]

How come it took you over a week to post that reminder?

[PenguinPower]

I'm not aware of anyone requesting that I provide a reminder, so I can't comment on a deadline or the length from that deadline that I posted. The criteria was embedded in the middle of the first post, so I wanted to make sure that everyone saw, and was aware of, the criteria that was set forth.

[Prism]

I have had several paragraphs typed up for an hour. I have many grievances regarding the modteam's approach to this, start to finish, sometimes acting as saboteurs, at others as neglectful observers, and finally here as the designers of a great goose chase. I will save it for another time.

I am interpreting this to mean that one of catboi & ND39 would be rejected by the moderation team. I am positive I know which one, and even agree with it wholeheartedly, but I will skip it. I personally do not think this is the place to relitigate a ban history or a person's record of improvement or lack thereof, even as the modteam's indirection and lack of transparency invites us to do exactly that.

All that matters is that one or both are liable to be rejected by the administration. We should go back to the drawing board on nominations in the event of any vetoes.

Nominating Datisi, shiki, Lukewarm

[Lukewarm]

Hello, I have been beatlejuiced.

Overall thoughts: Sending someone to the Championships is Fun, and Exciting, and 1,000% something that I think that we should be doing as a site. I share Prism's frustrations/disappointment that there seems to be little from the mods to help facilitate this process, even if they don't want to give the impression that they are forcing it to happen.

I think that there has already been reasonable evidence that it is something that we as the community should do. Between this thread and the last thread, there have been 177 posts from various users, and I have seen ZERO posts from any member of the community suggesting that we shouldn't send someone. Every single person I have seen comment on the topic, has been in favor of sending someone - just disparate opinions on who the best person to send would be, or the best way to choose someone.

I don't know that I have opened up many threads on any forum where Someone, Somewhere hasn't shown up with a dissenting opinion, but this seems to be that rare instance where all voices are unanimously saying "We should do this!"

Regarding my nomination from Prism, I am incredibly flattered - but I don't feel that I would be able to commit to the shorter deadlines of the championship. However, I feel strongly enough that this is something that as a site we should do, I would be willing to serve as a back up if that would be the difference between us participating or just floundering, and not doing it at all.

I frankly cannot think of a better person to serve as our representative then Catboi/Peta. There are any number of people that I think could serve well in the roll, but I have refrained from naming additional names since he seems like the perfect fit.

[Lukewarm]

When I last weighed in, what I saw was a lot of people saying that it should happen, and a lot of people nominating Catboi - I added my voice to the people supporting both idea, and then stepped back thinking that clearly the powers that be would see what I saw, and this was being taken care of.

If I need to post in this thread every day that I support it for it to be clear that I am an enthusiastic supporter, I can do that. I just didn't realize that the mods wanted [or needed] to see high frequency posting to get that memo.

[Lukewarm]

I will say part of the reason we wanted to be more hands off as mods is that we wanted to leave open the possibility that the site doesn't have a sufficient level of interest to compete.

I think that it is important that it be defined what is needed for the mod team to acknowledge "sufficient level of interest to complete." I saw sufficient evidence from my PoV, but apparently it didn't reach a sufficient level for the mods?

I saw multiple threads of the topic, with many varied voices all voicing support, and numerous people nominated. Outside of the public thread, this is something that I both had conversations with people about, and saw others discuss in other settings such as discord (including people that for whatever reason, have not posted here - but seemed supportive of the idea in those settings).

So, what is the point where the mods say : okay, there is support,let's make this happen

Do we need X number of people to post that we want it to happen?
Do we need X number of posts across a set time period?
Do we need X number of people nominated, who then accept their nomination?

Or do we, with no set authority or structure, have to hobble together a method by which to settle on a name, and then get it to you without even knowing if you are gonna reject the name, or worse yet, say "despite this name being presented, we didn't see sufficient levels of interest, and are choosing to not move forward"

[Lukewarm]

Do we need X number of people to post that we want it to happen?

If this is the answer, I can reach out to the people I've spoken to or seen discuss it on discord, and encourage them to more publicly say they like the idea.

Do we need X number of posts across a set time period?

If it is this, I can add this page to my daily routine

Do we need X number of people nominated, who then accept their nomination?

If it is this, I can start more broadly nominating, instead of limiting myself to my top pick.

But, until we are given some form of guidance, or goal post, any and all efforts feel like they could be wasted efforts.

[Prism]

I'm okay with a veto and going back to the drawing board. It was always part of the structure, and I fully anticipated it being utilized, especially when it came down to these two players. I never felt it was my place, especially with the arbiter role I've taken on, to tear down a specific player's character or pass a final judgment on player behavioral history. Again, only one set of people have the communal authority to make final decisions on those matters.

However...

Spoiler: Criticism regarding the de facto mod veto

Instead of vetoing a specific player, or just broadly saying "We need more nominations than the ones presented" to set the right tone, it was a vague and indirect "intention to veto" non-specific to a player. It put the onus on us to reevaluate and publicly discuss the two given candidates through the presented lens of behavioral concerns+ban history.

This is practically begging for us to detail/relitigate old bans and air out personal vendettas in order to

figure out for ourselves who the mods are saying no to

, and adjust our votes in reaction to that hidden decision. That's not community driven decisionmaking. It's a mod-driven goose chase because they don't want to be the ones to reject a selection and get their hands dirty.

We can steer it back on track by just widening the pool...but again, why am I having to course-correct a mod's public invitation to tear into players personally and set the thread on fire?

@The Modteam: If this course correction/emphasis on nominee/player positivity is unwelcome, let me or us know that we should indeed be publicly tearing each other down for sport and I will cede the floor...but my thinking is that these behavioral critiques & concerns are better sorted by private PM to the modteam.

Edit: Thinking on the above a bit more and reviewing Penguin's posts, I guess a "gentle reminder" to keep these criteria in mind when posting is not an invitation to verbalize and discuss them. I still find how this post effectively functions regrettable.

[Prism]

Anyway, I did have to get that out, but the real focus should again be on widening the pool of nominees. I think the above are good choices: Variety of playstyles, strong, modern and used to fast-paced games even if not the specific deadlines.

I definitely encourage nominating any others that come to mind.

[RH9]

Nth Datisi

Nth shiki

Nth Luke

[Datisi]

i have been summoned

i don't have a lot of time to type up my thoughts on this organisation at the the moment (and other people have been able to do it better than i could anyway), but i do wanna say i am flattered and would be willing to play if you'll have me

however, as i feel that there are other people who would be better suited for this than i would (including but not limited to those already nominated), i would prefer to be the backup, or let others take both slots

[joqiza]

I've refrained from voting or nomming any specific player, mainly because I'm not super active here so I don't feel it's my place to influence the process. That said as someone who does play here occasionally I want to voice my support. I very much hope to see Mafiascum send a representative this year and I think it would be great fun.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nth Datisi, Luke, Catboi, Shiki

nominate Alyssa the Lamb, Skitter, GuiltyLion, mastina