No. I generally don't see the need to crumb roles that don't have info.In post 1174, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Did you crumb this claim?
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It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Couldn't we in theory just test the veracity of S_S's claim by limming them and if they do flip town they can venge-kill? Although it is not a given that they'd hit town in that instance.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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We still lose if I'm limmed today. If we get scum today then I can be limmed tomorrow at no cost.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Umm. So does scum win instantly if an vengeful is eliminated? Or not?Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Assuming 50% control all that's needed and S_S is town.
But shouldn't vengeful activate instanteneously and take down someone "with them" essentially?Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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I believe not. So it's 3:2, if I'm executed today and kill scum it will be 2:1, then scum NK to make it 1:1 and win.In post 1179, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Umm. So does scum win instantly if an vengeful is eliminated? Or not?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Oh right.
Wow i really didn't think that one through did i.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Incidentally, this is also why I was playing the first few days so reserved; vengeful in a micro is powerful iff it survives to D4.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Does that mean you have reads, but just intentionally limited yourself to stay alive?In post 1183, Something_Smart wrote:Incidentally, this is also why I was playing the first few days so reserved; vengeful in a micro is powerful iff it survives to D4.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Tbh, your reasoning actually makes a lot more sense than i expected.
And that makes this hard again. Ughhh.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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To some extent. I've been souring on RCE for a while, but I didn't want to make a big stink about it yesterday. Seeing Tracer flip town made me want to go after you purely out of respect for his reads, but you seem pretty reasonable and willing to hear things out today which is +town for sure.
Hence the need for a reread. Hopefully I will have my head straightened out afterward. I haven't ever deliberately refused to commit this game, I just have a pretty high standard of evidence that I can rarely actually meet. But in lylo, and especially as a vengeful, I will need to accept whatever level of confidence I can get. So I promise I will have real opinions. (But they will not be stripped down the way Toog wants, because that loses all the nuance.)It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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So S_S and Wall want RCE.
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to be fair to S_S, I think he wants to read more firstIn post 1188, NorwegianboyEE wrote:So S_S and Wall want RCE.-
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I do, yes.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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If you are asking if I buy the claim. I don't. Claiming Vengeful in LimLo feels almost like someone claiming Ascetic on Day 1... Convenient.In post 1188, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Toog what are your thoughts on the game?-
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I'm odd man out because I'm still on the wall!scum train. Also kinda agree with Toog here. It's a win today claim.In post 1188, NorwegianboyEE wrote:So S_S and Wall want RCE.
RCE, Toog what are your thoughts on the game?
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I did the thing
Spoiler: Notes from reread
The notes don't do my thoughts much justice, and they're probably nigh unreadable anyway, but my ranking of likely teams goes something like: RCE/Toog as the most likely, then RCE/Norwee, then WF/Norwee. (The other three would mean some weird and unnecessary distancing.) And WF/Norwee would make today absolutely hilarious-- it would mean that I claimed and both scum were like "yeah that makes sense" and both town were suspicious of it.
Right now I think the world I most believe in is RCE/Toog who were hoping to take me out today for the win. RCE being Toog's partner would explain some of the weirdness around the wagons, because RCE was too low-activity to be able to really save Toog, but he still always found a way to be pushing for an alternative.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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S_S the more i think about your claim the more i want to believe it is real.
I feel like it explains your play and it also seems very unlike you to come up with a fake claim, and have it be something unusual such as vengeful of all things.
And that's also doubly making me question the people that are doubting your claim. I feel this could come from mafia that wants to dismiss it as "of it's just to live longer, whatever" instead of seriously engaging with the implications.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Also this is an weird thought. Why is claiming ascetic on day 1 used as an example? I think that usually comes from town so why is that the example used?In post 1191, Toogeloo wrote:
If you are asking if I buy the claim. I don't. Claiming Vengeful in LimLo feels almost like someone claiming Ascetic on Day 1... Convenient.In post 1188, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Toog what are your thoughts on the game?Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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And even if we say, lim your partner in a scum!you world.
Openly claiming Vengeful makes it so that it is fully possible for us to just lim you as an safety measure in the next day and then have you use your shot the kill the remaining scum. Assuming you are indeed town.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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I think it's entirely possible that the only ones shading my claim are scum (Toog & RCE). I don't want to get overconfident... but it would be pretty satisfying if that were indeed the case.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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It's like... Either a town claim, or an very good fake claim.
Do you have history with making good fake claims as scum?Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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