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Post Post #2125 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 7:52 am

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Essentially it means scum need 4 voteoffs and have no possible way of making it 3.

That's a tough sell in 13 with basically no power.
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Post Post #2126 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 7:57 am

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In post 2124, Crescent wrote:The definition of power balance here is significantly more town sided than what I'm used to. That's kind of the point.

I don't consider the neighborhood to even be a thing that matters as far as balance goes. It "exists".

3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.
Closed normals are generally town-sided.
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Post Post #2127 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 7:57 am

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But anyway yep I am not qualified to meta games here at all moving on.
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Post Post #2128 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 7:59 am

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In post 2126, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2124, Crescent wrote:The definition of power balance here is significantly more town sided than what I'm used to. That's kind of the point.

I don't consider the neighborhood to even be a thing that matters as far as balance goes. It "exists".

3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.
Closed normals are generally town-sided.
I've almost never actually played an open game either so I don't really have any comparison to make. Most games I've played have been thematic, closed setups. The game I hosted was based on the show "Psych".
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Post Post #2129 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 7:59 am

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But also everyone's just kinda set on killing Titus so this is what we're talking about instead which I admit isn't great.

I'm in a waiting room it does give me something to do.
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Post Post #2130 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:00 am

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In post 2126, JacksonVirgo wrote:3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.
godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.
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Post Post #2131 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:03 am

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In post 2130, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2126, JacksonVirgo wrote:3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.
godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.
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Titus is "godfather" to Mathblade if she is scum.

No difference to me really. The actual role godfather being banned is arbitrary.
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Post Post #2132 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:04 am

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In post 2130, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2126, JacksonVirgo wrote:3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.
godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.
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According to that chart so is 11-2, apparently.
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Post Post #2133 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:07 am

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In post 2131, Crescent wrote:
In post 2130, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2126, JacksonVirgo wrote:3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.
godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.
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Titus is "godfather" to Mathblade if she is scum.

No difference to me really. The actual role godfather being banned is arbitrary.
It's a 2 shot Gunsmith. Scum didn't need a counter to it at all like a Doctor would. Titus also probably wouldn't have claimed doctor if they actually had one so it's probably fake. Instead I believe they would have some form of weak investigative like tracker to possibly catch the GS/JK and off them.
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Post Post #2134 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:07 am

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Anyways the best role is and will always be town vanilla*

*Except that one game where I was a vanilla that could keep posting after I died. That was SWEET.
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Post Post #2135 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:08 am

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In post 2132, Crescent wrote:
In post 2130, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2126, JacksonVirgo wrote:3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.
godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.
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According to that chart so is 11-2, apparently.
Indeed. 11-2 is rarely used with PRs. Town with PRs usually balance the 10v3 enough to make it relatively close to 50% if not a little more.
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Post Post #2136 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:08 am

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In post 2134, Crescent wrote:Anyways the best role is and will always be town vanilla*

*Except that one game where I was a vanilla that could keep posting after I died. That was SWEET.
Treestump? Lol that role is fun
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Post Post #2137 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:12 am

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In post 2135, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2132, Crescent wrote:
In post 2130, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2126, JacksonVirgo wrote:3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.
godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.
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According to that chart so is 11-2, apparently.
Indeed. 11-2 is rarely used with PRs. Town with PRs usually balance the 10v3 enough to make it relatively close to 50% if not a little more.
I'm also the kind of player who will never claim a role like that unless it's my actual role. I could effectively townconfirm myself without even dying with that monster.
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Post Post #2138 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:32 am

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The remaining mafia members of Titus and Meuh have chosen to concede. The town wins!
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Post Post #2139 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:32 am

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Post Post #2140 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:32 am

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Post Post #2141 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:33 am

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Post game talk may begin now.
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Post Post #2142 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:36 am

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Oh neat
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Post Post #2143 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:37 am

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Italiano were you the neighbourizer?
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Post Post #2144 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:37 am

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I was universal backup
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Post Post #2145 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:37 am

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In post 2143, JacksonVirgo wrote:Italiano were you the neighbourizer?
There was no neighbourizer. Gamma was universal backup
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Post Post #2146 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:37 am

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Oh I see
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Post Post #2147 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:39 am

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Was there a maf doctor?
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Post Post #2148 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:40 am

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In post 2147, JacksonVirgo wrote:Was there a maf doctor?
no, role list is now available in my reserved post tho
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Post Post #2149 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2022 8:40 am

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I wanna say that concession felt premature but the PoE was locked down to basically meuh and dwlee once titus flipped
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