Micro 1055 - Trolled

[Roden]

It was.
Does that change how you read anything?

I'm pretty sure Toog is mafia and I'd rather flip there. I feel stuck though because I feel like scum is turning the votes around to save him, but if I'm wrong and Mala flips red then I just look like her partner. Either scum is playing really well or I'm just bad and not paying attention, which tbh is possible.

Idk. I appreciate this game in concept but this feels a bit stacked against town.

VOTE: Malakittens

I'm pretty convinced this is scum.
Feels really weird that you'd go on about how you're sure Toog is Mafia, and scum is diverting to save him, then hammer the counterwagon anyway.

I appreciate that you're scum claiming, it does make the game easier so thank you for that.

I wanted to vote Toog. I made it clear that I wanted to vote Toog. Toog was almost voted out. Then you and Toog broke your post conditions to save him and vote Mala, even though you supposedly scum read him and Toog supposedly scum read Enchant. I hammered Mala in case I was wrong, and figured it was blatant you and Toog were aligned if she flipped town.

It it pretty funny that you turned on me for hammering your "scum read". I mean, I know you don't have much of a choice, scum can't NK anymore and you made a blatant scum gambit by breaking your post conditions in order to save your partner. And it's not like you can push Enchant, I already made it clear I town read him so you know he won't be mis-elim'd. I'm guessing you're partnering me with Flea since fae's the only one left and you can't bus Toog after trying to save him?

I think most of dead chat already figured out it was Toog anyway, so I'm not particularly worried about a mis-elim here. Hell, Mala's last words were to kill Toog, so you might want to start convincing her instead of just vaguely claiming that I'm scum because I hammered a flash wagon. Once he flips red, it'll be obvious that you're his partner.

[Toogeloo]

Ah... Roden is scum. So I am wrong on either Enchant or Flea. Nice Appeal to the dead thread there.

Rat is almost certainly town. No way the dead thread eliminates them. You trying to discredit that slot was bad play.

[Roden]

Discredit? He blatantly tried to save you when the rest of us didn't want to vote Enchant after you locked your vote in on him. He flash wagon'd a slot that wasn't around but scum read you Like, that is something that actually happened.

Even from your own perspective, town!you should be worried that he was trying to save you as mis-elim bait in ELo, or that maybe he was pocketing or white knighting you. But you aren't considering that possibility at all, you're just assuming he's town. This is what I mean when I say that you're blatant partners, you're not even pretending to try to read him or be wary of him.

[Toogeloo]

I didn't want to be saved. I even flat out told the thread that keeping me around might be to their detriment. If I had a scum partner, the proper play there is to bus me.

[Radical Rat]

Had you at least like. Talked it through before just going "oh well" and casting a hammer, I wouldn't be as thoroughly convinced it was a scum play.

Obviously, voting Malakittens itself is not scummy, but the way you set it up was like you knew what was going to happen but didn't want to take responsibility for the decision. Also, I already thought you had the best shot at being scum by PoE before Toog pulled his shenanigans yesterday, so this was pretty much just reaffirming that.

As for partners, it's either you and Toog or you and Enchant. Haven't made up my mind which, but I'm still pretty confident on Flea being Town.

[Radical Rat]

I also think it's somewhat disingenuous to portray me voting for Malakittens as an attempt to save Toogeloo. That was a consequence, yes, but I think I made it pretty clear that wasn't the goal and I still thought Toogeloo was likely scum

[Roden]

I didn't want to be saved. I even flat out told the thread that keeping me around might be to their detriment. If I had a scum partner, the proper play there is to bus me.

You're doing a tell here that I'm not sure I can say without breaking my post condition.

Umm...I actually have no idea how to get around it. But basically you should know that scum can't bus since it isn't viable in this set up, and you're pretending not to know that. Scum lost their factional kill starting on Day 2, meaning if they bussed then they would have to force through double the amount of mis-elims. If Rat busses you at 6 players, he then has to avoid getting elim'd at 5, 4, and 3. Otherwise, he can save you at 6 and then only have to force one more mis-elim through at 5.

I also don't believe that you didn't want to be saved, because you broke your post condition in order to have a chance to save yourself.

[Roden]

Had you at least like. Talked it through before just going "oh well" and casting a hammer, I wouldn't be as thoroughly convinced it was a scum play.

Obviously, voting Malakittens itself is not scummy, but the way you set it up was like you knew what was going to happen but didn't want to take responsibility for the decision. Also, I already thought you had the best shot at being scum by PoE before Toog pulled his shenanigans yesterday, so this was pretty much just reaffirming that.

As for partners, it's either you and Toog or you and Enchant. Haven't made up my mind which, but I'm still pretty confident on Flea being Town.

This is an...interesting, interpretation of my vote. I'd made it clear that I voted Mala in case I was wrong about Toog because then I would look aligned with her if she did flip red. Otherwise it seemed obvious that scum made a play to save Toog. I just thought it was more likely that I was wrong than scum making an open wolf play like that.

I also think it's somewhat disingenuous to portray me voting for Malakittens as an attempt to save Toogeloo. That was a consequence, yes, but I think I made it pretty clear that wasn't the goal and I still thought Toogeloo was likely scum

What makes it disingenuous? What do you think my perception of the game should be?

[Radical Rat]

This is an...interesting, interpretation of my vote. I'd made it clear that I voted Mala in case I was wrong about Toog because then I would look aligned with her if she did flip red. Otherwise it seemed obvious that scum made a play to save Toog. I just thought it was more likely that I was wrong than scum making an open wolf play like that.

Exactly. More concerned about your image than actually eliminating scum.

[Radical Rat]

I wish we could see the dead chat...

[Roden]

This is an...interesting, interpretation of my vote. I'd made it clear that I voted Mala in case I was wrong about Toog because then I would look aligned with her if she did flip red. Otherwise it seemed obvious that scum made a play to save Toog. I just thought it was more likely that I was wrong than scum making an open wolf play like that.

Exactly. More concerned about your image than actually eliminating scum.

How can scum!me worry about my image of looking scummy if Mala flips scum if I would know she's flipping town...?

Why are you ignoring the part where I said I considered that I could be wrong? Why are you ignoring everything else I said to you as well? You're just spewing that you know what I said is correct at this point.

[Flea The Magician]

Broke myself over the weekend... this is THE slowest game ever I think o.o

[Flea The Magician]

Ok toogy, so you're ignoring me asking why you think this is my scum game, and then openly saying you're a detriment to town, and NOW you've said...

Rat is almost certainly town. No way the dead thread eliminates them. You trying to discredit that slot was bad play.

The dead thread hasn't eliminated anyone that I'm aware of, so I'm going to need you to clarify this.

[Enchant]

Considering half of dead are hating me, i think so far their choice is obvious.

If Toog is maf, it's openly bogus, because i actually protected maf from death. Not cool from me.

Nowallpost today, i playing other games.

[Toogeloo]

There is only one town in Flea, Roden, and Enchant. Currently leaning Flea.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 3.1

Not Voting (3)Enchant;Flea the Magician;Roden;

Abstain (1)

Radical Rat

;

Flea the Magician (1)

Toogeloo

;

Enchant (0)

Toogeloo

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

Roden (0)

Radical Rat (0)

You do not have the hammer. This is a Dead Thread execution phase.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-06-20 08:35:00), or earlier.

[Toogeloo]

You do not have the hammer

I wonder if only the dead can hammer and votes still need to be cast, and the the dead hammer.

[Flea The Magician]

Thats actually a good point.

[Roden]

VOTE: Toogeloo

Flea, Enchant, do either of you think Toog and Rat are town here?

[Toogeloo]

This game is already boring af, so if people can come in and vote so that the dead thread can hammer, that would be swell.

[Flea The Magician]

I am mentally sturggling at the moment, a lot of shit happened.

I'm so torn on toogs. I need t read Roden and Rat when I'm braining decently again.

[Roden]

Sorry, I hope you feel better soon Flea. But, what do you need to read?

Toog and Rat both broke their post conditions to shift the momentum to Mala and save Toog. They came into today pretending that didn't happen. Toog says he town leans you but froze his vote there.

[Flea The Magician]

D2 mostly, Toogs and rat breaking restrictions is interesting to say the least.

[Flea The Magician]

Toogs being THAT desperate is, alarming, frankly.

[Flea The Magician]

Rat breaking restriction strikes me as potentially town, because of the nature of the restriction basically.