Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[Aristeia]

[Isis]

ok i finished some chore im gonna iso coral now

[skitter30]

Fwiw my current guess is meuh + coral

[Isis]

I admit that marci does have quite good vibes from what I've read. I'm a little surprised by the level of nuance your reasoning has given how you believed nobody would listen to it. Looking at the timeline of UglyFruit's posts in comparison to marci's that you've quoted, the narrative checks out.

I do think that people often have an investment in helping welcome their newbie friends to the game and have a tendency to make excuses for them. My gut feeling would be that marci as scum would be less likely to stick her neck out for him, but I'm not sure on that. I can see, though, how the progression could have scum motivation, with the move to discredit after UglyFruit begins to scumread her

I guess I'm actually still a little hung up on why you were so fatalistic about people not listening to you

i don't see any previous mention of why you find marci to be scum in your ISO, between 1534 and now, at least. that would make the self-comparisons to Beat a tad premature, no? my understanding was that Beat expressed reads and reasons, felt nobody listened to them, got dejected and shut down. you expressed a read without reasons despite the reason being actually pretty good, and then said that you understood the lack of engagement and agency that beat was feeling, and said that nobody would follow you onto a marci vote.

I think I may be coming back around to finding that line to be performative

This 2 post sequence reads really towny to me. It's risky to do this thing where you analyze this feature and reserve judgement on how to interpret it, then kind of interpret it live, as scum, it might not come off natural, and it looks really natural here. There's no logical disconnects. And it all really seemed like an excercise in academic integrity or something because my slot didn't feel like it mattered much at the time.

I think it's her towniest bit to me, but bear in mind it's ladled onto a baseline of believing worst to be town so when I talk about the read being strong all the time, there's that.

you were highly critical of the beat wagon and said you scumread most of the names on it, I remember reading that. that would mean that you felt scum was mostly driving the game. but now you say that "it felt the same way yesterday", leading you to the conclusion that scum are sitting back.

i think there's a disconnect between those two. are you reassessing things now?

ok i didn't realize that some components of looking into a coral townread will unfortunately dovetail into the skitter scumread
but I do want to live in the world where the reason skitter has pushed almost every slot in the game is politics and this is simply Coral calling it out instead of scumCoral doing a good job coming up with something that makes sense as a longhaul on skitter's slot.

VROOOOOMM PHSSEWWWWWW

idk what noises a stealth fighter jet makes im sorry

honestly i think i locktowned here did i also mention the avatar

[Coral]

I want to come over here and play but then a bad emotional thing happen

Ugh i'm sorry i dont meant to be unpleasant
Coral, i'm sorry too

Taking a break for now, have fun everyone!

Personally, I didn't feel any unpleasantness from you, no worries!!

I am curious why you think I'm scum, is there anything to that outside of my push on you?

[Aristeia]

VROOOOOMM PHSSEWWWWWW

idk what noises a stealth fighter jet makes im sorry

honestly i think i locktowned here did i also mention the avatar

This is what an F-22 sounds like.

[Coral]

I think if we're in the world where Meuh is Mafia and Gamma is town, then Meuh realized the distancing she was doing was going to get Pavo killed and as long as Gamma!town was defending Pavo and Fruit!Town was focused on Marci then she could get away with unvoting and counterwagoning fruit with Gamma because there wouldn't be the votes to flip Pavo then.

I think that's possible. I guess just while experiencing it live it didn't really feel like any wagon was doing much of anything, but looking at who was willing to vote, maybe you're right.

I think it's pretty risky to join to distance in the first place if you aren't willing to follow through, in this setup? But it's possible she made a judgment error.

[Coral]

VROOOOOMM PHSSEWWWWWW

idk what noises a stealth fighter jet makes im sorry

honestly i think i locktowned here did i also mention the avatar

This is what an F-22 sounds like.

I was kinda close. There's sort of a GWAAUUUHHHH feel to it that I didn't quite capture.

[Aristeia]

well she did try voting him in

375

and

1665

and neither time she got any traction on him so maybe she thought it was ok to poke at him again?

I don't know really - it just feels odd to me that she would unvote Pavowski after she finally did get traction.

[Isis]

i have this little evil recurring thought of lim cakez and if that doesn't work agonize over which side of skitter-meuh to do

[Aristeia]

hehe that would be funny

[Aristeia]

also if one of Meuh/Skitter escape we don't have to worry about the other one right?

[Ydrasse]

Prodded Titus.

[Isis]

also if one of Meuh/Skitter escape we don't have to worry about the other one right?

yeah that's part of the draw

[Isis]

i phrased it the way i did because thinking two steps ahead, neither skitter nor meuh would escape because they would not want to give us that clear. there's not a lot of space to add a clear here

[Aristeia]

if coral is mafia we lost as soon as she picked her avatar

[Isis]

Truer words have never been spoken

[Faker]

I've started reading in these degen hours and I've realized two things:

1) I am instinctively reading everything The Worst types as scum and borderline preflipping him
2) In conjunction with the Champions over Domains thread I was reading earlier today, pondering which combination of Will/Verbosity/Rigor I was, I realized how accurate the weaknesses of Will were:

Spoiler:

Will

- There are very few things that you cannot overcome with enough charisma and desire. Your belief in your ability to influence the game is your strength, and you flex that strength early and often to shape the game state to what you believe it should be. Your tenacity makes you a tough target, as at your best you are rarely in the path of least resistance. However, if rebuffed enough, you can become desperate and unbalanced; in addition, if you do not have a cause to believe in, you may lack the conviction to make any contribution at all, making you a target of opportunity.

Without something to believe in, or any early game influence to flex, I am a complete fucking worthless doormat. Maybe it's time to just cut the spitballing, cut the wheelspinning, and embrace working backwards and see what happens.

[Faker]

Literally the second I typed that and moved to adjust my laptop to read more my laptop screen shell snapped

I have no smartphone to post from

It's still usable but oh god

[Isis]

sometimes i am worried about faker

not like as being scum

i'm just worried about her

[Isis]

do they make laptop bandaids

[Faker]

If I told Isis I had started exclusively drinking collected rainwater, she legitimately would not be able to guess if it was out of choice or out of necessity.

I think that says a lot about who I am as a person.

[Faker]

is it the worst?

No i'm p sure she means me lol

I know there's a false positive rate to it but I'd be pretty ok killing someone for posting this
more specifically i can just
visualize scumskitter posting it and townskitter not
it's like
text indicating suspicion on her just has higher priority for interpretation than other content, causing the egregious error (she's clearly not kidding? both in structure and it's not remotely skitter's brand of humor, she's not really a court jester)
I don't think Aris posted suspicion about skit at any point
I know i'm gonna get mudslapped for level -1 gawtcha reads

but i know swift
actually i don't know swift i can't just be quiet and vig on the opinion that's how that metaphor would work

i know rest

howzabout that

I, perhaps predictably, hate this post

The reasoning was terrible but this was legitimately the most townpost Isis made all game short of the selfie.

I've read on through most of this argument and it just gets worse, particularly page 32 and post 785.

[Isis]

i'm not very interested in why it's wrong anymore, but why was it town

[Isis]

you dont have to answer that if theres more important stuff ig