Open 860 | Elected Decisions | Postgame

RH · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:19 pm

Open 860

Elected Decisions

Modded by RH and backup modded by the worst

Setup by Jingle and modified by RH9

Roles PMs modified from samples provided in Open 853 by Datisi

Ruleset and formatting was immensely appropriated from Hectic and northsidegal respectively via Prism with several rules taken from catboi, Plotinus and Datisi in addition to minor formatting inspired by Datisi

Miscellaneous

Spoiler: Status

Spoiler: Legend

Spoiler: Links

Players

Spoiler: Remaining

Spoiler: Evicted

Spoiler: Modkilled

Events

Spoiler: Day 1

Spoiler: Night 1

Spoiler: Day 2

Spoiler: Night 2

Spoiler: Day 3

Spoiler: Night 3

Spoiler: Day 4

Spoiler: Night 4

Spoiler: Day 5

Spoiler: Night 5

Spoiler: Day 6

Spoiler: Postgame

RH · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:10 pm

Ruleset

Quintessence

Adhere to all
Site-Wide Rules
.
- Detailed explanations for some of the rules are provided here and here by Lilith.
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All private communication regarding this game is prohibited outside of the provided threads.
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Heated discussion, during the game is acceptable, but personal attacks will not be tolerated.
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Activity

Deadlines are 7 days (168 hours) for Days and 2 days (48 hours) for Nights.
- Deadlines may be extended if necessary.
- Fast Night may be requested.
Prods are 48 hours and there will be no prods for players on V/LA and during holidays.
- Examples of holidays include Easter, Christmas, Anzac Day and News Years Day.
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- You have 24 hours to respond to the prod and contentless posting will not reset the prod timer.

Votes

To be considered as a vote, it must be clearly visible.
Due to the deviant mechanics, please refer to the FAQ for this game's preferred vote formatting.
Plurality will be used at deadline if majority isn't reached.
- Ties will be broken by seniority, depending on the latest vote.
You may abbreviate the names of others, with the caveat that I will be able to discern the target of your vote.
Unvoting is appreciated, though not mandated.

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.
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  Gold
  are fine.
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RH · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:11 pm

FAQ

General

How should votes be placed?

Spoiler: Answer
There are numerous ways you may vote in this game so to make it clearer, here are some samples.

HEAL: Player for Role
VOTE: Player for Option

NOMINATE: Option

HEAL: Player for Role
VOTE: Player for Option

NOMINATE: Option

VOTE:
Player for Role

VOTE:
Player for Option

VOTE:
Option
What happens if I get two of the same role from the designation mechanic?

Spoiler: Answer
Because Multitasking is enabled by default, you get to use the role twice each night.
Lucky you.

RH · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:21 pm

Setup

Notes

The setup is a modified version of Jingle's suggestion to Decisions By Election.
There are
9 Town
against
3 Mafia
.
Daytalk
is enabled by default.
Multitasking
is enabled by default.

Mechanics

Each Day, players may choose either Divulgence or Departure and a nominee by popular vote.
- If players choose Divulgence the alignment of the nominee is publicly revealed.
- If players choose Departure the nominee exits the game.
Additionally, each Day players must choose another nominee to receive a power at random from the following list:
1. Vengeful
2. One-Shot Vigilante
3. Two-Shot PGO
4. Ascetic
5. Bulletproof
6. One-Shot Watcher
7. Doctor
8. Roleblocker
9. Neighborizer
10. Voyeur
11. Jailkeeper
12. Tracker
Each Night,
Mafia
must target a player, in an attempt to compel them to exit the game.

Sample PMs

Spoiler: Original

Spoiler: Town

Town VengefulSalutations, …, you are a

Town Vengeful

!

Role Abilities:

When you are evicted during the Day, you may target another player in the game to attempt to get them evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town One-Shot VigilanteSalutations, …, you are a

Town One-Shot Vigilante

!

Role Abilities:

Once, at Night, you may target another player in the game to attempt to get them evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town Two-Shot PGOSalutations, …, you are a

Town Two-Shot PGO

!

Role Abilities:

Twice, at Night, you may elect to prepare yourself. If you do, you attempt to get anybody who targets you that Night evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town AsceticSalutations, …, you are a

Town Ascetic

!

Role Abilities:

Actions that target you, other than attempts to get you evicted, will fail as if roleblocked.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town BulletproofSalutations, …, you are a

Town Bulletproof

!

Role Abilities:

You are protected from attempts to get you evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town One-Shot WatcherSalutations, …, you are a

Town One-Shot Watcher

!

Role Abilities:

Once, at Night, you may target one player in the game to watch them. If successful, you will learn which players in the game targeted them that phase, if anybody.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town DoctorSalutations, …, you are a

Town Doctor

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target one player in the game to provide them with protection. They will be protected from a single attempt to get them evicted. You may not target yourself.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town RoleblockerSalutations, …, you are a

Town Roleblocker

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target another player in the game to attempt to block them from performing any Night actions.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town NeighborizerSalutations, …, you are a

Town Neighborizer

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target a player to attempt to add them into a Shelter located here.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town VoyeurSalutations, …, you are a

Town Voyeur

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target a player. You will learn what actions were performed on that player, but not who targeted them.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town JailkeeperSalutations, …, you are a

Town Jailkeeper

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target another player in the game to attempt to jail them, blocking any Night actions they might take and protecting them from a single attempt to get them evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Town TrackerSalutations, …, you are a

Town Tracker

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target one player in the game to track them. If successful, you will learn which players in the game they targeted that phase, if any.

Win Condition:

You win if all threats to the
Town
have been evicted and at least one
Town
-aligned player remains.

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Spoiler: Mafia

Mafia VengefulSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Vengeful

!

Role Abilities:

When you are evicted during the Day, you may target another player in the game to attempt to get them evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia One-Shot VigilanteSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia One-Shot Vigilante

!

Role Abilities:

Once, at Night, you may target another player in the game to attempt to get them evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia Two-Shot PGOSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Two-Shot PGO

!

Role Abilities:

Twice, at Night, you may elect to prepare yourself. If you do, you attempt to get anybody who targets you that Night evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia AsceticSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Ascetic

!

Role Abilities:

Actions that target you, other than attempts to get you evicted, will fail as if roleblocked.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia BulletproofSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Bulletproof

!

Role Abilities:

You are protected from attempts to get you evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia One-Shot WatcherSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia One-Shot Watcher

!

Role Abilities:

Once, at Night, you may target one player in the game to watch them. If successful, you will learn which players in the game targeted them that phase, if anybody.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia DoctorSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Doctor

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target one player in the game to provide them with protection. They will be protected from a single attempt to get them evicted. You may not target yourself.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia RoleblockerSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Roleblocker

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target another player in the game to attempt to block them from performing any Night actions.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia NeighborizerSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Neighborizer

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target a player to attempt to add them into a Shelter located here.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia VoyeurSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Voyeur

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target a player. You will learn what actions were performed on that player, but not who targeted them.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia JailkeeperSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Jailkeeper

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target another player in the game to attempt to jail them, blocking any Night actions they might take and protecting them from a single attempt to get them evicted.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

Mafia TrackerSalutations, …, you are a

Mafia Tracker

!

Role Abilities:

Each Night, you may target one player in the game to track them. If successful, you will learn which players in the game they targeted that phase, if any.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one
Mafia
member remains and all other players have been evicted (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Please confirm your role by replying to this PM with with the answer to "What role did you receive?"

RH · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:23 pm

Randomising Alignments

Sending Role PMs

12/12 Confirmed

The game will commence when I finish school.

RH · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:56 pm

Flavour"The statue!" shouted a distant voice. "The statue!"
"What is going on?" demanded RH. "You know that the worst and I need sleep!"
"The statue!" stammered the housekeeper. "One of them knocked it over!"
"That was a gift!" exclaimed RH. "Do you know who did it?"
"No," stuttered the housekeeper. "I do not."
"Please get those District 860 residents here!" ordered RH. "I'm going to have a word with them!"

A while later, a sleep-deprived group dragged themselves over to the centre of the district.
"Are you OK?" asked a member of the group. "I thought that I heard noises."
"Shouting too!" recounted another. "They were like…"
"Alas!" interjected the housekeeper. "They must be stopped!"

"Now!" declared RH. "I shall have to evict those troublemakers!"
"Luckily for you," continued RH. "We live in a democracy!"
"So you're making the decisions!" remarked RH.
"Not only that!" pointed out the housekeeper. "I can help you find out the allegiance of whoever you choose!"
"But you can only choose either of these options!" announced RH. "Departure or Divulgence!"
"And I'll let one of you use these gadgets!" continued RH. "But you must elect your nominees!"
"Have I made it clear?" enthused RH. "If so…"
"

This is

," echoed RH. "

Elected Decisions

!"

Day 1 Start

Not Voting

- Bellaphant, Enchant, Frogsterking, Fun Times, Galron, Greeting, KittyTacky, PenguinPower, RCEnigma, Radical Rat, Taly, Roden

Notes

The combined mod ISO is here.
With 12 remaining, it takes 7 to form a majority.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2022-07-26 15:56:07).

Frogsterking · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:51 pm

First muahahahaAHAHAHAHA

Last name alphabetically is Taly. VOTE: Taly for Departure muahaHAHAHAHAHAHA

Can we please use my SSS (Standard Survey Start) in conjunction with the RVS? I met a guy in the Newbie Queue with a PhD who studies surveys and the five factor model for a living and he helped me make the SSS more scientific. I promised him I would test it out months ago and I still haven't used the new version in a game.

Also HEAL: Enchant because they're in seemingly every game I play and I haven't had any problems with their Town game really. Now the burden is on them to demonstrate this is their Town game so they can keep my Bonus Power vote.

Radical Rat · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:05 pm

HOLD IT RIGHT THERE

Before we get into RVS or SSS or any other vote flinging...

First thing we need to do is sort out HOW we're playing this game. I think we should approach each decision separately, as much as is feasible. First we decide whether we're Divulging or Departing, then we decide who, and finally we designate a PR.

This way we avoid any hasty decisions or accidental confusion hammers

Enchant · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:26 pm

Divulging first two days, afterwards probably not worth it.

You can't choose PR, it's random.
If someone rolls Bulletproof, we Divulge them, and then laugh on confirmed townie who can't be killed.

lolbalance.

Bellaphant · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:00 pm

Divulge first. Or we lol hammer enchant. Don't really mind which

Frogsterking · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:49 pm

I mean what does divulging twice give us at best? Masons from the bottom of the PoE? That sounds pretty weak. If either of the first two picks are scum we would end up pretty far behind where we would have been if we just killed them.

It seems like a situation where the "risky" choice is safer than the "safe" choice because the risky choice gives better return on investment. So if you want to play it safe it's more reasonable to advocate for departure than divulge. It seems like the divulge is best used in a situation to reach lylo (like in a game with a missed vig shot) where we would normally have to no elim.

I support a position where we assume we'll depart each day (since it gives us a chance to progress to our wincon directly) and if anyone wants to make a case of why divulge is better for x reason then they can bring it up. I think the players who want to divulge have the burden of proof to explain why it's better, since that option removes the fear of death from the scum team but not the Town, I argue divulging takes AWAY from the Town rather than GIVES to us in most situations.

Enchant · Post Post #11 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:55 pm

So instead of revealing alignment of 2 ppl (and receiving two PRs from vote), we choose to kill one ppl (while town in big majority), and get 1 PR because... Becauuuuuuuse...

Makes sense, let's do it. If you fail to hit scum 1d (when it makes sense to divulging), i locking my vote on you for the end of your life/game.

Good luck with searching.

Enchant · Post Post #12 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:12 pm

Actually why two times.

Let's reveal just first day and then elim, there's even number of players.

Frogsterking · Post Post #13 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:37 pm

In post 12, Enchant wrote:Actually why two times.

Let's reveal just first day and then elim, there's even number of players.

Okay what about the PRs who can benefit from the even number of players like Doc, BP, Vig, etc. Why not wait until we're closer to lylo and the first few roles have been randomed and done their thing. Then we can "divulge to lylo" at the appropriate time if it occurs and avoid sacrificing a potential ML those PRs could give us.

In post 11, Enchant wrote: because... Becauuuuuuuse...

...because if you want to make an omelet you've got to crack a few eggs

Enchant · Post Post #14 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:45 pm

Not really in mood arguing.

If you believe you hit scum on first day (doubt), go ahead, indeed it's faster and more profitable to kill mafia instantly instead of revealing.

If you kill townie though you get whooping nothing.

Roden · Post Post #15 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:51 pm

I kinda agree that Departure is more optimal, it makes sense for scum to just kill the conftowns each night if we only ever Divulge. Otherwise if we do reveal scum with a Divulge, we have to use a second Day phase to actually eliminate them, while they get two night phases to kill off townies. We actually have to play a lot more perfectly for Divulge to give us better results than just sticking with Departure.

Enchant · Post Post #16 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:54 pm

Divulge me, mafia never kills me.

I am too cute.

Enchant · Post Post #17 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:58 pm

(it means i don't mind if mafia kills become predictable.
Because we have PRs which we can give every day, jailkeeper and Doctor included)

Roden · Post Post #18 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:05 pm

Day 1 - 3v9
Divulge = Guilty

Night 1 - 3v9
NK

Day 2 - 3v8
Departure = scum

Night 2 - 2v8
NK

Day 3 - 2v7
Divulge = Guilty

Night 3 - 2v7
NK

Day 4 - 2v6
Departure = scum

Night 4 - 1v6
NK

Day 5 - 1v5
Divulge = Guilty

Night 5 - 1v5
NK

Day 6 - 1v4
Departure = scum

Looking at it like this, we only get to make three mistakes with Divulge, same as with Departure. The only two differences are that Divulge puts more PRs into the game since it takes more Day phases to complete, and we gain zero info from NK flips since scum doesn't have much of a reason not to kill a conftown. And if scum are playing any good at all and are getting town read, they'll likely receive a PR or two.

Enchant · Post Post #19 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:34 pm

info from NK flips lmao
what improtant source

Frogsterking · Post Post #20 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:39 pm

In post 18, Roden wrote:And if scum are playing any good at all and are getting town read, they'll likely receive a PR or two.

I guess a good counterpoint comes out of this. With the depart option scum are forced to create viable mislims, with the divulge option scum are forced to recieve lots of townreads. So on a surface level if we have a very good PoE then depart seems better, if we have a very good towncore then divulge seems better.

(I know it's not that simple but just let me roll with it for a second)

It's possible we can make more progress by reframing the question away from Depart or Divulge for a second, and ask ourselves whether our individual strengths as a player lean toward developing sound scum reads or developing sound town reads.

It's worth considering that if we have a player list full of town hunters for example maybe we are better off going with divulge even more than once or twice, because we can land the Power Bonus on town consistently and the towncore can just crush the scum team by directing the kills away from themselves.

Enchant · Post Post #21 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:59 pm

As i said, if you can hit scum d1, you welcome to kill instantly, but first day is InFo FlIpS mostly.

I can't see reason to kill on d1 instead of revealing.

Galron · Post Post #22 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:34 am

Posting. I'll follow any plan that makes sense really.

Galron · Post Post #23 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:47 am

Three mafs seem like a lot. Do PRs stack? Like Day 3 are there potentially two TPRs?

RCEnigma · Post Post #24 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:54 am

Are players nominated for a pr roll during the day or is it a night phase thing? Like a secret ballot?