Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[Datisi]

vote count 5.01

with 4 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2022-09-04 10:15:00).

yeet

Radical Rat [1]:

Vivax

Aristeia [0]:

not voting [3]:

Loki Dokie, GuiltyLion, fireisredsir

mod notes

~ this is a mod note.

[Vivax]

really my biggest doubt is that i question why RR picked ari over GL. i think there's more that imo clears ari here and i would have been at least tempted to vote GL over RR, tbh

i was hoping they would pick vivax cause that would be an easy vote

Who would pick, is the question?
Isn't RR supposed to be the last on their team?

[Loki Dokie]

So. it seems that 3/5 scum were on Vivax with one - Bell - on Kitty. So I recall Vivax mentioning how important it would be for scum to get that first point.

RR was also pushing Vivax wagon pretty hard, so I’m thinking scum probably was hoping for a Vivax miselim. Also Roden flipping scum means his Kitty always fights thing was obviously bs.

[Loki Dokie]

I'm just struggling to figure out how to participate without inducing WIFOM by just existing

I feel like I'm in a weird spot where anything I say is going to get interpreted as being way more layered than it actually is. Some of the votes on Dann were made because of a pre-flipped read on me and looking too deeply into my town read on him. Idk, I don't want to ruin the game by centralizing who to vote for over things that are in my ISO.

So your argument is that you waited to vote Kuti once GL had already put him to e-1 not to wifom scum? Your vote did absolutely nothing to help Dann atp because had I voted Kuti, it would have been a tie and the earlier tie always wins, so I think for that to have really made any sense, you wouldn’t have waited until it was extremely likely too late to save him.

Nah and that's not even close to what I said.

I'm just pissed and annoyed that I'm the fucking fall guy every time a single vote goes wrong. And I'm even more annoyed that I won't be able to defend myself the moment I inevitably get put up. Like at this point I don't see the point in trying because no one ever listens to me.

Rodon AtEing is nia. Pot.meet.Kettle. lololol. Still pissed, however sadder but wiser now.

[Loki Dokie]

I...don't know why I'm alive. That was one of my worst Day 1's in awhile, I expected to get thrown in the pit for an easy scum point.

I understand Kitty flipped red but I genuinely don't know why he got flipped at all. Every time I've seem scum!Kitty, he fights hard to live and gets hard protected by his allies, with all the pressure on him and no real defense I thought he was just town LHF again.

There's no way he wasn't bussed, because I still don't think he did anything particularly scummy for people to want him out as badly as everyone did

.

This strongly points to Ari!town, I think.

[Loki Dokie]

Town ish vibes:

GuiltyLion: my first tr of the game, very much like they were in our previous games, just overall a gut and soul read
Loki: feeling good about this slot, their solving is logical (like how they are doing it in the thread), I like the effort to look into Vivax old game. In p#602
Greetign: weakest of the three, I feel like her emotions have been genuine. Dunno how to feel about the buddying
Kitty: weakest of them all, a town lean, their tone is genuine and maybe im weak to it.

Scummy vibes:
Dann: I feel like they kinda fell off since the beginning (I know I'm being a hypocrite)
Ari: I dunno how to feel about them trying to buddy everyone and her post have been agenda driven
Vivax: his tone and what not is not what I'm used to. He doesn't feel towny because he's missing his trademark tinfoil. I am sus of him
VOTE: vivax

Look who’s missing from this list: Bell, Roden and RR. Is that a total coincidence?

[Loki Dokie]

Oh and furtive as well but this makes me think that Kuti maybe told us who the other three scum were by omission?

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Vivax

I don't trust the Kitty wagon.

Again shade on Kitty wagon. Had Roden just said he sr Vivax more, it would have been far less suspicious.

[Loki Dokie]

also this is going to sound somewhat egotistic and possibly rub people the wrong way but my hit rate on day1 wagons is 70%[7/10 completed games where I am voting for the day 1 eliminated player, that player has flipped mafia.]



I can be a bit of a petulant child at times but it is generally because I am usually right.

Lol. 7/10.

i think Bell/Dann are S/S and this game is basically over

I have bad news.

Bell's inactivity is a p bad look and points to him being probably just scum.

I think Dann decided to try to push Bell d1 to salvage the KT situation but when he couldn't get traction he basically gave up and bussed KT.

Dann probably figures if he flips here that gives Bell enough towncred tommorrow after he flips to somehow escape off distancing later down the line.

I'm busy.

fire being one of the most vocal dann supporters with logic thats surface level correct is also kind of strange to me

like the principles he's using are correct but they're correct in a way that would be correct even if Dann flips scum here;

which feels like thats his primary consideration rather than who is town/scum within the Dann/Kuti dichotomy


everything is about loss, strategy, and like how a scum team looks at resources rather than

who is actually scum

Rather than trying to win by voting out who is scum, its all about mitigating a possible loss that creates a narrative further down the line that feels somewhat like putting the cart before the horse.

Sure.

These posts don’t sound partnery.

[Loki Dokie]

[quote="In post 1462
Rat who do you think is scum that's not in the test right now?

Updated answer: Aristeia

I kind of want to see if Radical Rat will really vote for Vulture

it kind of almost feels like RR is in the same position Bell was in on D1

This is bait, and it's coming from scum. Not for scumreading me, but for trying to goad me into specific actions under the threat of scumreading me.[/quote]

I really didn’t care too much for this reaction.

[Loki Dokie]

Post Post #1212 (isolation #3) » Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:35 pm

In post 1149, Aristeia wrote:

i think Bell/Dann are S/S and this game is basically over

I have bad news.
~ Bell

So Bell was actually telling the truth here, he just meant that Ari was wrong on Dann not him.

@RR don’t you think this interaction with Ari and Bell looks antipartnery?

@RR?

Sorry, brain's been a bit scattered lately.

But no, not really. A toothless accusation on one Town and one partner, when only the Town is relevant in the moment, followed by Bell making a token "Not scum" statement. Seems like pretty standard stuff to me

This reaction is contradictory when you constantly their reasons for tr Vulture. They just completely dismisses my point, which is weird

[fireisredsir]

oh i forgot that RR had pivoted into suspecting ari yesterday. maybe that could contribute to them wanting to pick her for the test, if they thought that she was a viable place to push

[fireisredsir]

really my biggest doubt is that i question why RR picked ari over GL. i think there's more that imo clears ari here and i would have been at least tempted to vote GL over RR, tbh

i was hoping they would pick vivax cause that would be an easy vote

Who would pick, is the question?
Isn't RR supposed to be the last on their team?

yes, final scum is RR or ari. either RR picked ari, or ari picked RR

[fireisredsir]

The "I kind of want to see if Radical Rat will really vote for Vulture" is accusing me of being Vulture's partner, and daring me to vote them anyway, implying that she doesn't think I'll do it, and refusing to do so will make me look worse.

why would that be a threat to you if you're town?

Because as Town I still don't want to be scumread. Especially if we're wrong today, score's 2-2, and I wind up in the test. Trying to bait me into a vote this early, while also setting the stage to shade me later if I change my mind, is intended to set that up.

yea this is just trying to set up the narrative that ari is scum planning to choose them as a miselim

i don't really think this reaction makes sense as a town thought process here

[fireisredsir]

it feels way too forced

[Vivax]

vote count 1.03

with 13 votes in play, it takes

7

to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

Roden

[4]:

Dannflor, GuiltyLion, fireisredsir,

Aristeia

Vivax [2]:

Radical Rat

, furtiveglance

GuiltyLion [1]:

Donempire

Loki Dokie [1]:

Roden

furtiveglance [1]:

Vivax

not voting [4]:

KittyTacky, kutiplz, Bell

, Loki Dokie

mod notes

~ replacing Donempire.
~ this is a mod note.

[Loki Dokie]

it feels way too forced

+1

Then you have Roden basing his much too late Kuti vote in reaction to an RR post.

I think ironically Dann put it into our heads that Kitty was a bus but in reality, it looks like only one scum bussed.

Ari also allowed fire to lead d3, which isn’t really something you expect scum to do.

But the main thing for me is. that eventhough RR was on the right side of Bell/furtive and Vulture/Roden, he never backed up either with a vote. His only votes were on town: Vivax/Dann. Similar to Roden voting Kuti after it was really too late to actually save Dann.

For this kind of game, votes speak volumes because scum could lose the game d4 and last scum never has to get put through the gauntlet, as Ari would say.

[Loki Dokie]

Wait, what am I responding to?

Well, so far it seems like GL and Loki are leaning towards Dannflor, and Fire/Vivax/RR are leaning towards kuti plz.

Anyway, follow up to this is I'd know who I'd rather vote with, regardless of who we're actually voting.

This actually does concern me as well. Unfortunately, I have concerns on both sides, and those concerns aren't likely to be alleviated until I get to see how Dann and kuti flip.

What are your concerns and who with?

Vivax is the obvious one. It worries me greatly that my top scumread from D1 has arrived at the same conclusion, but with so many scum it seems a bit farfetched that BOTH leading wagons were on scum. Plus if kuti IS scum it actually makes Vivax look significantly better.

And then I also have a growing paranoia that GL could be deepwolfing here, but that isn't really substantiated by anything yet. I just find it very strange that no one has really expressed suspicion on him. Like, you'd think at least one or two scum would be trying to sow doubt on a true obvtown. And then if Dannflor flips green.... Not a great look.


But without flips I can't really draw proper conclusions here. Kitty's flip is... Spectacularly uninformative, which is why there may have been merit to scum sacrificing him. This pair is going to be much juicier though

There've been a few slots that haven't had much suspicion on them, not just GL. Why him in particular?

So, let me know if you want me to hammer Dann?

wait until Datisi is about to go to bed

VOTE: kutiplz

@fire, speaking of feeling forced, Roden sets up an obvious attempt to distance RR when he knew his vote was already too late.

Like Roden, your Kuti vote was super cringe enough without you adding a blatantly fake attempt to distance RR into the mix.

I really don’t understand how I severely overestimated his scumgame that much. \_0_/

[Loki Dokie]

Sorry @Roden, maybe that was overkill but I’m mad at myself that I keep falling for that same shit, game after game. It’s on me for being such a sucker.

I just feel so dumb and petty for what I said about Dann only to be bamboozled by Roden’s arguably the worst vote on me in the entire game and I damned well should have known, that using a past scumgame against me, was such a beyond obvious red flag.

[fireisredsir]

Ari also allowed fire to lead d3, which isn’t really something you expect scum to do.

tbf she would specifically expect me to expect her not to do that as scum and that would be a reason why she might. i think if she was scum she knew bell was going down that day and didn't mind sheeping on a test that was already lost. so i don't think it's clearing in this case

but again, if she had that mindset, then why even pick furtive over someone else?

[Loki Dokie]

Ari also allowed fire to lead d3, which isn’t really something you expect scum to do.

tbf she would specifically expect me to expect her not to do that as scum and that would be a reason why she might. i think if she was scum she knew bell was going down that day and didn't mind sheeping on a test that was already lost. so i don't think it's clearing in this case

but again, if she had that mindset, then why even pick furtive over someone else?

On d2, she had made numerous posts pretty much scumlocking Bell, so she would have had to know that Bell was going to be toast, so why does scum!her do that, then throw Bell into the pit with furtive who iirc, she never even once mentioned scumreading?

[fireisredsir]

yea like if she's sacrificing bell i think she just puts him up against me or you or GL who isn't going to get eliminated and is kinda leading things

but RR/roden team might not have picked up on how unlikely it was for bell to win that test

[Loki Dokie]

The way I see it. is that it really makes little sense in this kind of setup to bus on d1, unless your buddy was super obvious scum and I honestly don’t believe Kitty was. Otherwise, Roden would have never made that post.

In OMB otoh, Kitty actually was beyond flaming obvscum in that, so his being bussed was inevitable but not here. Ari didn’t really need to push Kitty as hard as she did. Had she not pushed Kitty as hard as she did, maybe Vivax would have gone through?

Maybe that was scum’s plan, to have Bell in the clear in a Vivax miselim but Ari got in the way of that?

[Loki Dokie]

yea like if she's sacrificing bell i think she just puts him up against me or you or GL who isn't going to get eliminated and is kinda leading things

but RR/roden team might not have picked up on how unlikely it was for bell to win that test

I think they were counting on me to hard defend Bell and seriously underestimated how hard I tr furtive in comparison?

Also Ari was hardpushing Bell d2 and exposed all of his weaknesses at playing scum. If she’s scum with Bell. you try to make it much easier on him. Try to help him by asking him questions he would presumably struggle a lot less with.

Ari/Bell do not look like SvS at all to me and unlike Roden/RR, it looks organic and not at all like distancing.

[Loki Dokie]

do you believe his inactivity is AI?

I can’t read Roden even when they do post.
So.