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[T3]

I also think that a bloodbot kill comes from froggo
Froggo doesn’t realize there are masons, goes “okay, who here is obvious town?” And kills Bloodbot because he hammered Galron

[Andante]

This feels like TMI of knowing galron was maf... like "oh town is on the trail? yeah!!! galron maf!!"

if anyone had any questions for me please post them again and maybe like bold them even because there was a crap ton of posts and if anyone asked me anything i definitely missed it.

idk what to think abt galron or ceejay. been seeing people say T3 is town based on meta so im cool with that for now, nothing abt their posting pinged me.

i want andante and bloodbot gone.

i'll vote galron if you do @bloodb0t

and Galron is a little different cause like, ehhh there's stuff there, but none of it really feels AI to me, so probably just need more time for a read there

agreed although the fact that none of it feels AI makes me think its scum, if u know what i mean

Out of the PoE of Bloodbot, Galron, and froggo:

Weak scum
Bloodbot
Lean scum
Galron
scum
Froggo

If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.

vote galron with me

VOTE: galron

[Andante]

VOTE: froggo

yeah I'm voting the obvious, and if it is T3, that's a later thing, but I think the simplest answer is just, it's froggo, cause T3!scum there.. all he had to do was kill a mason, and blood was still on the table as a viable mislim, I'm not going with the "what if this is big brain play"
keeping it simple, staying with the obvious, also froggo's stance on me changed the second I called frog prob town, so yeah, this is cool by me

[froggodoggo]

I mean, no I was just being lazy and Galron was the only player who I couldn’t find any towniness in their postings. I found Eiralox town immediately and while I was SRing CJ I saw reasons they could be town too. Galron just seemed like the least riskiest vote. If he’s town then whatever and if he’s scum then nice.

[Andante]

like, for the record @Masons, literally the reason I stopped pushing both yall, 1. Eira got hella towny and I was like, ok, towny enough for d1, and ceejay, ehhh once T3 was all "assume they're town!" or whatever, logic kicked in, I was like, this is 100% a mason situation, could be all 3 of them masons.. cause we had 2 masons in my 9p game, so I guess 3 in 7p could work, and yeah, half me still feels like T3 is big braining this, but like, froggo is all "what?? masons were obvious??" and like, ok yeah.. kill 100% can be froggo's cause if you don't realiz masons, you're not killing there. and if you're T3, you probably just kill a mason, more options for town to mislim.


wooooo

[Andante]

I found Eiralox town immediately

before the 20 posts in a row from Eira, you immediately found Eira town?

[froggodoggo]

VOTE: froggo

yeah I'm voting the obvious, and if it is T3, that's a later thing, but I think the simplest answer is just, it's froggo, cause T3!scum there.. all he had to do was kill a mason, and blood was still on the table as a viable mislim, I'm not going with the "what if this is big brain play"
keeping it simple, staying with the obvious, also froggo's stance on me changed the second I called frog prob town, so yeah, this is cool by me

I’m pretty sure there’s a mafia informed, could be wrong but if there was then you may have claimed backup vig or something. Maybe they just know the entire setup but that seems unlikely.

[Andante]

why would there be informed mafia?

[Andante]

in a setup that already favors scum

[froggodoggo]

I found Eiralox town immediately

before the 20 posts in a row from Eira, you immediately found Eira town?

Pretty sure I found them town on opening. From my POV scum knew masons and didn’t kill them so VOTE: T3

Pedit because 2 surprise masons in F5 sounds like trouble

[Andante]

in my 9p game we had a mafia joat,a goon, 2 town masons,

I didn't realize joat there, but like, I definitely just believe it's 2 masons in this 7p... and 2 goons.. like.. balance wise.. it makes the most sense

[froggodoggo]

what were the joat abilities?

[Andante]

I found Eiralox town immediately

before the 20 posts in a row from Eira, you immediately found Eira town?

Pretty sure I found them town on opening. From my POV scum knew masons and didn’t kill them so VOTE: T3

Pedit because 2 surprise masons in F5 sounds like trouble

there's nothing surprise about them, I was thinking Eira was town, then thought T3 Eira and CJ were masons together. you have to think from a balance perspective what we're playing. 2 "surprise" masons in f5 with 1 maf alive? that's AWESOME!! like, how is it trouble? scum should be assuming something like masons... like town isn't having extra kp. yeah, maybe cause I played a 9p with masons, but I'd assume masons in a setup like this

9p setup -
x5 Vanilla Townies, x2 Masons, x1 Mafia Goon, x1 Mafia Jack of All Trades (Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Strongman)

[Andante]

I found Eiralox town immediately

before the 20 posts in a row from Eira, you immediately found Eira town?

Pretty sure I found them town on opening. From my POV scum knew masons and didn’t kill them so VOTE: T3

Pedit because 2 surprise masons in F5 sounds like trouble

there's nothing surprise about them, I was thinking Eira was town, then thought T3 Eira and CJ were masons together. you have to think from a balance perspective what we're playing. 2 "surprise" masons in f5 with 1 maf alive? that's AWESOME!! like, how is it trouble? scum should be assuming something like masons... like town isn't having extra kp. yeah, maybe cause I played a 9p with masons, but I'd assume masons in a setup like this

9p setup -
x5 Vanilla Townies, x2 Masons, x1 Mafia Goon, x1 Mafia Jack of All Trades (Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Strongman)

which, that's kinda making me think this setup might be similar to that one now.. cause you're all "ANDANTE IS A GS GUILTY!!" which if you're a joat with stuff like roleblocker... strongarm.. you're not thinking masons

[froggodoggo]

thought it would be a good reaction test cuz if u claim something like backup vig it makes no sense if theres not actually a gunsmith

[Andante]

how does claiming backup vig make no sense if GS? it could be in a setup to throw off people

[froggodoggo]

personally if i were scum going into an F5 with two dead VTs i would assume i'm up against 2 PRs and a VT and so at least one scum would claim PR and have to fight the masons since there wouldnt be 2 masons and a PR. so the counterplay to that is an informed mafia. maybe im wrong tho, two goons and nothing else could be a sign that there is masons or at least no invest.

pedit: because the chance of a town happening to be backup vig while another town fakeclaims a gunsmith guilty on them and there being no actual gunsmith seems impossibly low.

[froggodoggo]

I don't see "Eira and CJ clear day 1" being a towny thought, especially coming without reasoning

if you also knew they were masons what is the reason for this comment?

[Andante]

Fair. i think confidence is usually a town tell but I can see how a confident scum could steamroll this game

pedit I dunno about that… which town is T3 trying to miselim?

I mean if T3 is scum here, this is 100% the path he takes. take charge. cause all scum needs is the 2 mislims... then bam! they win.. I don't see "Eira and CJ clear day 1" being a towny thought, especially coming without reasoning

you literally left out the first half of this. I was thinking about a T3!scum world. idk the exact moment I caught on the trio were masons, which I think is what you're trying to shade me for like "no way you knew masons" I can't tell you the exact moment I was like "they're probably masons" like end of the day? I just went with T3's stuff, and said "know what, not my problem. this'll sort itself out later" and hey, we got 1 maf

[Andante]

is it not clear I was going down the "ok t3 is scum, and this is why he did what he did" path?? like, you can't chop off the first half of a quote, and go "SCUMMY!!" like, we were in the t3!lock scum train of thought, that seems pretty clear...

[froggodoggo]

I didn't even say that was scummy lol it was just a question

[froggodoggo]

i'm still leaning T3 here and currently voting them but u defaulting to assuming im sussing u is weird

[Andante]

hmm T3 did dissapear…
AHHHHH THIS IS TOO DIFFICULT

UNVOTE:
when in doubt unvote

[froggodoggo]

andante do you think you will win against T3 in f3

[froggodoggo]

actually you already answered that didnt u