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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:49 am

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A problem could be the lose condition of targeting 3 vanilla players
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:53 am

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Now I was thinking of my First Designed faction (Starkin) and how it doesn't fit into AbLoafs system currently, because the indicidual role card you drew for that faction had meaning.

I realized I could replicate this with either a roll or a draft, and there are two individual aspects to each role card that had meaning.

I'm wondering which is better
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:53 am

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I'll draft both up here
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 7:40 am

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Faction Introduction:
Starkin
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You have access to a factional PT any time you are alive.
As a member of the starkin you have a special condition under which you are star-aligned. When you are star aligned, your actions have an additional effect.
The Starkin have a one shot factional ability to star-align one member for that night and the next day, this ability is inherently infallible and multitasking.
The Starkin also have a factional visit each night, making one member visit a player for no effect. This ability is NOT multitasking.
If a Starkin player targets more than one player due to the effect of a factional ability, and would receive results on multiple targets, they know which result came from which target.
Starkins know who of them is star-aligned at the start of each day and night phase.
Starkin will flip with their star-aligned condition and effect.


During Picks, you will receive a random Constellation from the below list. Each Starkin will have a different condition.


During Picks, you will receive 2 random Constellations from the below list. Each Starkin will have 2 different conditions and share none. You pick which of these to keep.


During Picks, you will receive 2 random Constellations and 2 Align conditions from the below list. Each Starkin will have 2 different conditions and constellations and share none. You pick one of these for each category which of these to keep.


During Picks, you will receive a random Constellations and a random Align conditions from the below list. No starkin will have the same condition or constellation.



(One of these 4, I'm not sure which)

Cop: Astrologer
Miller: Horoscope
Mason: Elder
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Spoiler: Constellation List (If first 2 options take both condition and effect, if third or fourth would take both individually
1. Aries - You are star-aligned if you were on the hammered wagon during the last day phase. While you are star-aligned, if your action is successful you gain a one-shot public day vigilante invention. You may not have more than one of such invention at a time.

2. Taurus- You are star-aligned if your action was prevented or manipulated with last night. While you are star-aligned, you will prevent all other actions done to players you target, and any actions performed by your target. In addition you are protected from one kill while star-aligned (If this prevents a death at any point, it is lost)

3. Gemini- You are star-aligned if it is an even night. While you are star-aligned, you will link players you target. All linked players will unstoppably die if one of them is eliminated.

4. Cancer- You are star-aligned if it is an odd numbered night. While you are star-aligned, you will give players you visit the loyal modifier (they will not be notified). After becoming star-aligned for the third time, you are charged with a mysterious energy.

5. Leo- You are star-aligned if you are the last Starkin alive. While you are star-aligned, you will attempt to kill players you target.

6. Virgo - You are star-aligned if during the last day phase, a town aligned player wasn't eliminated. While you are star-aligned, players that target you will be vanilaised, and the player you target will require one less vote to eliminate the next day.

7. Libra- You are star-aligned if neither of the following are true: During the last day phase, a player was eliminated of the same alignment of the last eliminated player. It is Day 1 or Night 1. While you are star-aligned, your abilities instead target all players that visit your original target and all players that visit you.

8. Scorpio- You are star-aligned if you took no attempted action last night. While you are star-aligned, your target becomes venomous to non-starkin players. Whenever a non-starkin player visits a venomous player, they will become poisoned and die at the end of the next night.

9. Sagittarius- You are star-aligned if during the last night phase, you targeted a player no other player targeted. While you are star-aligned, you are a strong-willed ninja and will apply
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10. Capricorn- You are star-aligned if it is before Night 3 (Night 4 in a large game). While you are star-aligned, you are immune to day abilities and your actions that you would usually use at night can instead be used during the day. If you use an ability during the day, you may not use it the following night.

11. Aquarius- You are star-aligned if no Starkin-aligned player caused a death last night or during the last day phase (except via elimination), and it is after night 1. While you are star-aligned, you will remove douses from your target and get them wet. Additionally, players that visit you will be electrified. (If an electrified player successfully acts on another electrified player at night, both unavoidably die. If a player is wet and electrified at the same time they die.

12. Pisces- You are star-aligned if it is day 3 or after (Day 4 in a large game). While you are star-aligned, you may target an additional player with your actions at night.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:37 am

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I worry with the choice the faction could be too overpowered via ability to choose stronger combos, but without it it feels too swingy in power level
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:16 pm

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In post 25, MegAzumarill wrote:A problem could be the lose condition of targeting 3 vanilla players
That's true.
Do you think that it would help if I change their factional ability into the below?
ChangesThe ability pool starts off as {Doc, Vig, CPR Doc}.
Each Night, they can use their factional Merchant ability. If the target of this ability has an active ability, the ability is added to the ability pool. If they don't and they used the last ability remaining in the ability pool, they gain One-Shot of Visitor.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:43 pm

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Yeah having a fallback would be a good idea.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:47 pm

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In post 29, MegAzumarill wrote:I worry with the choice the faction could be too overpowered via ability to choose stronger combos, but without it it feels too swingy in power level
hmm... I'd recommend a drafting system for constellations

randomly pick n+1 unique constellations where n = number of starkin, and then have the starkin draft them during pregame (note that this will leave 1 constellation unpicked)
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:22 am

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Notably Pregame Scum do not have access to their pt yet iirc
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:07 am

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In post 33, MegAzumarill wrote:Notably Pregame Scum do not have access to their pt yet iirc
Constellation drafting must be done in pregame, and it must be done in the Starkin PT as Constellation drafting requires group coordination.

Constellation drafting can't be done during picks in Greater ABLoAF as the PT is not open, and constellation drafting can't wait until Day 1 as Capricorn is star aligned during Day 1 and Capricorn's star alignment is a Day ability (technically Capricorn is star-aligned during pregame, but the ability isn't relevant during pregame and the drafting system requires all starkin to not be star-aligned during pregame as they don't have constellations yet).

Starkin would literally not work without daytalk as pregame is technically not a Night phase. I typically run games with daytalk, and that means PTs are open during pregame

(also, I'm unsure whether failure to draft a Constellation should make you pick a random available Constellation or get you modkilled)
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:19 am

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actually, scum would not be able to confirm their Role PMs in their PT if PTs were not open during pregame

so yeah, scum PTs are open during pregame unless you run games without daytalk for some reason
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2022 10:53 am

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I suppose I specific pregame phase after picks would be present, so could be drafted then.

The problem with that though, is that constellation choice is also heavily determined by your own role, considering it's augmenting nature

Maybe they see the options during picks, pick them pregame?
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:06 am

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In post 36, MegAzumarill wrote:I suppose I specific pregame phase after picks would be present, so could be drafted then.

The problem with that though, is that constellation choice is also heavily determined by your own role, considering it's augmenting nature

Maybe they see the options during picks, pick them pregame?
that would be a good idea, considering ABLoAF uses Greater Idea picks by default

though having the constellation list shown during picks would spoil how many starkin there are before pregame
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:14 am

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In post 37, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 36, MegAzumarill wrote:I suppose I specific pregame phase after picks would be present, so could be drafted then.

The problem with that though, is that constellation choice is also heavily determined by your own role, considering it's augmenting nature

Maybe they see the options during picks, pick them pregame?
that would be a good idea, considering ABLoAF uses Greater Idea picks by default

though having the constellation list shown during picks would spoil how many starkin there are before pregame
I don't think that's a huge downside, since there are at most like 2 amounts a true groupscum can have a game start based on size and the difference is potentially meaningful but most of the time one pick will just outclass the other anyway
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:17 am

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fair enough

the other solution would be only showing the first two constellations available, but that would kinda ruin picking for a desired constellation
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 am

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Faction Introduction:
Starkin
(True Groupscum)
You have access to a factional PT any time you are alive, including Pregame. (But not during picks)
Each Night, you may do the of the following.
The Starkin have a one shot factional ability to star-align one member for that night and the next day, this ability is inherently infallible and multitasking.

The Starkin also have a factional check each night, making one member visit another player and learn if their action succeeded. This ability is NOT multitasking, unless used with a multitasking ability.

If a Starkin player targets more than one player due to the effect of a factional ability, and would receive results on multiple players, they know which result came from which player.

During Pregame, each Starkin Member will choose to
conjoin
with a constellation no other member has conjoined with from the Starkins' Constellation Pool. This Constellation Pool is pulled from random unique constellations from the below list, and an amount equal to one more than the number of living Starkin at the start of the game. If the Starkin does not choose one to conjoin with during pregame, they conjoin with the first unconjoined constellation on the list that is in their pool.

Starkin will flip with their conjoined constellation.

Based on your conjoined constellation, you have a special condition under which you are star-aligned. When you are star aligned, your actions will work differently. This does not replace the action, but adds more effects, targets, or activation conditions onto the original action instead.

Starkin know who of them is star-aligned at the start of each day and night phase.

Starkin know their Constellation Pool during Picks.

Cop: Astrologer
Miller: Horoscope
Mason: Elder
Godfather: Mesmerizing

Spoiler: Constellation List
1. Aries - You are star-aligned if you were on the hammered wagon during the last day phase. While you are star-aligned, if your action is successful, you gain a one-shot public day vigilante invention. You may not use these inventions more than once per day phase.

2. Taurus- You are star-aligned if your action was prevented or manipulated with last night. While you are star-aligned, you will prevent all other actions done to players you target, and any actions performed by your target. In addition you are protected from one kill while star-aligned (If this prevents a death at any point, it is lost)

3. Gemini- You are star-aligned if it is an even night. While you are star-aligned, you will link players you target. All linked players will unstoppably die if one of them is eliminated.

4. Cancer- You are star-aligned if it is an odd numbered night. While you are star-aligned, you will give players you visit the loyal modifier (they will not be notified). After becoming star-aligned for the third time, you are charged with a mysterious energy.

5. Leo- You are star-aligned if you are the last Starkin alive. While you are star-aligned, you will attempt to kill players you target.

6. Virgo - You are star-aligned if during the last day phase, a town aligned player wasn't eliminated. While you are star-aligned, players that target you will be vanilaised, and the player you target will require one less vote to eliminate the next day.

7. Libra- You are star-aligned if neither of the following are true: During the last day phase, a player was eliminated of the same alignment of the last eliminated player. It is Day 1 or Night 1. While you are star-aligned, your abilities instead target all players that visit your original target and all players that visit you.

8. Scorpio- You are star-aligned if you took no attempted action last night. While you are star-aligned, your target becomes venomous to non-starkin players. Whenever a non-starkin player visits a venomous player, they will become poisoned and die at the end of the next night.

9. Sagittarius- You are star-aligned if during the last night phase, you targeted a player no other player targeted. While you are star-aligned, you are a strong-willed ninja and will apply
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focus
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10. Capricorn- You are star-aligned if it is before Night 3 (Night 4 in a large game). While you are star-aligned, you are immune to day abilities and your actions that you would usually use at night can instead be used during the day. If you use an ability during the day, you may not use it the following night.

11. Aquarius- You are star-aligned if no Starkin-aligned player caused a death last night or during the last day phase (except via elimination), and it is after night 1. While you are star-aligned, you will remove douses from your target and get them wet. Additionally, players that visit you will be electrified. (If an electrified player successfully acts on another electrified player at night, both unavoidably die. If a player is wet and electrified at the same time they die.

12. Pisces- You are star-aligned if it is day 3 or after (Day 4 in a large game). While you are star-aligned, you may target an additional player with your actions at night.


Notes for Edge Cases:
If a player's alignment becomes Starkin in the middle of the game, they become conjoined to the constellation that went unconjoined in the Constellation Pool, If none remain assign a random unconjoined constellation instead. If all 12 have somehow been assigned, then prevent any new players from being converted to starkin.

If a player would falsely flip as a Starkin, assign a random constellation to appear as conjoined as. Don't regard context and choose explicitly at random, even if that constellation has been used/flipped already.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:14 pm

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a third party I created for Grand Idea and want refinement for ABLoAF (and a better name as well maybe):

Third Party Introduction:
Crazed Jailkeeper


You are a third party aligned with yourself. You have a factional Jailkeep action, with which you may protect a player from kills and prevent them from acting.

You win if the game lasts longer than Day X, where X is half the number of players rounded up.
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