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[Galron]

It was unfortunate that the end of D2 was during my sleeping time. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw that I was about to get hammered so claimed, and I had some convincing arguments to explain why I chose Kitty, but I needed to go back to sleep, and I never imagined that town was going to hammer a claimed investigative role. That was decisive for the game, so well done Town, specially Porkens and Salsa.

Thank you, you did really well too

And I never would have guess that

Porkens

was a PR!

@Galron

, how did you catch that?

There's a post at the beginning of the game. I quoted it in the maf pt. I wasn't sure what it was but it looked like a crumb. I actually thought you were PR and was going to block you but I backed off of that when I couldn't find anything and blocked Porkens instead.

[Galron]

I really thought me going after Prof again would make him townread me more and would spur him to push someone harder to vote Salsa so I could hammer but that backfired. After NJAC was killed it really felt a bit hopeless. I knew we had to be dealing with either one super strong PR or two decently strong PRs in addition to Kitty (I'm not sure of the utility of townie ascetic without something for the player to do) and I didn't believe Prof's claim.

[Galron]

But yeah Prof hammered me instead of helping me so welp.

[Shiidaji]

Town to null:
Drap Malcolm
Kitty Ger
-
Null to scum:
Porkens NJAC Galron

Hey alright

Salsa PT was a fun read, appreciate the checkup lol

[Greeting]

Thanks for modding @Greeting. I have no redactions.

I feel this was a bit unbalanced, btw.

Why? It passed review.

[Greeting]

All PTs have now been released. Once again, thank you for playing and I hope to see you guys again in the future.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Thanks for modding @Greeting. I have no redactions.

I feel this was a bit unbalanced, btw.

Why? It passed review.

Eh don’t worry about it, the game was balanced.

It’s common for players to get bias and say a setup is unbalanced when they get a loss.

[NJAC]

Thanks for modding @Greeting. I have no redactions.

I feel this was a bit unbalanced, btw.

Why? It passed review.

I'm not really sure, I think an early Lim on one scum would make things really hard for the remaining scum. I think I have never played 2 vs 9. Considering as an example that newbie games have 2 vs 7 I feel this setup is harder for scum. But I'm not an expert so I don't really know.

[KittyTacky]

It was unfortunate that the end of D2 was during my sleeping time. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw that I was about to get hammered so claimed, and I had some convincing arguments to explain why I chose Kitty, but I needed to go back to sleep, and I never imagined that town was going to hammer a claimed investigative role. That was decisive for the game, so well done Town, specially Porkens and Salsa.

What were those arguments?

Future Reference for NJAC wolf Tell:
Uses the term “newbie” allot more then they should have on day 1.


I ironically finished this game at the same time I finished another and the wolf also used a specific word multiple times oddly.
However that dude was a power player and another power player told everyone to not vote him and to vote me if I try.
And the dude thinks that was fine. :p
Claims it didn’t cost us the game when it kinda did but whatever.

Now he knows.

[Salsabil Faria]

Thanks for modding @Greeting. I have no redactions.

I feel this was a bit unbalanced, btw.

I'm not good with game mechanism... every time I was hearing about any soft-claim or full-claim, I was increasing scum numbers in my mind lolol.

In 11 players game, 9 towns with 2 strong PR, 1 semi-strong PR* & 1 week PR + 2 scums with 2 strong PR seems balanced from my limited knowledge.

EBWOP

*
Forgot about

Kitty

, welp...
Again, my understanding is poor regarding set-up stuffs but from scum pov, having a traitor will be more balanced?

[Salsabil Faria]

Thanks for modding @Greeting. I have no redactions.

I feel this was a bit unbalanced, btw.

Why? It passed review.

Eh don’t worry about it, the game was balanced.

It’s common for players to get bias and say a setup is unbalanced when they get a loss.

That's not what

NJAC

meant imo...

[Salsabil Faria]

Town to null:
Drap Malcolm
Kitty Ger
-
Null to scum:
Porkens NJAC Galron

Hey alright

Salsa PT was a fun read, appreciate the checkup lol

I'm weird

[Salsabil Faria]

It was unfortunate that the end of D2 was during my sleeping time. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw that I was about to get hammered so claimed, and I had some convincing arguments to explain why I chose Kitty, but I needed to go back to sleep, and I never imagined that town was going to hammer a claimed investigative role. That was decisive for the game, so well done Town, specially Porkens and Salsa.

Thank you, you did really well too

And I never would have guess that

Porkens

was a PR!

@Galron

, how did you catch that?

There's a post at the beginning of the game. I quoted it in the maf pt. I wasn't sure what it was but it looked like a crumb. I actually thought you were PR and was going to block you but I backed off of that when I couldn't find anything and blocked Porkens instead.

When

Professor

claimed.... the hell broke loose & all I could think about that I'm not going down for my back-up pr lol... Then I was trying to present myself as vt as much as possible.

[Greeting]

Thanks for modding @Greeting. I have no redactions.

I feel this was a bit unbalanced, btw.

Why? It passed review.

I'm not really sure, I think an early Lim on one scum would make things really hard for the remaining scum. I think I have never played 2 vs 9. Considering as an example that newbie games have 2 vs 7 I feel this setup is harder for scum. But I'm not an expert so I don't really know.

So what you don’t like about the game is actually the swing and not the balance per se.

I agree that it was hard for the mafia to win after you were eliminated by the town on Day 2. But had Galron bussed, and gotten involved more in the game in general, he would have stood a much better chance of winning. So while the swing was indeed bigger than in 9p or 13p games, both of you had powerful and ungated roles to make up for your smaller numbers.

Sometimes town gets very lucky when the mafia get very unlucky. This happened to me both as lucky town and unlucky mafia (most recent example being Newbie 2100). But Salsabil Faria’s instincts to hammer you were correct and could be attributed to your scumplay in my opinion, which would make them more than just luck.

I don’t think you played badly. Town was just more decisive and Porkens made better use of his role. I also don’t think KittyTacky was a good choice of N2 kill, might have been better to kill someone who was considered conftown.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Thanks for modding @Greeting. I have no redactions.

I feel this was a bit unbalanced, btw.

Why? It passed review.

I'm not really sure, I think an early Lim on one scum would make things really hard for the remaining scum. I think I have never played 2 vs 9. Considering as an example that newbie games have 2 vs 7 I feel this setup is harder for scum. But I'm not an expert so I don't really know.

I do agree that a traitor or neutral or something should have been added.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Only in the sense of the game can end day 2 by a wolf execution and wolf track.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also Kitty was a good kill cause pretty much got spewed by NJAC.

I do understand where their view on unbalance comes from but it’s not necessarily “unbalanced” but yeah in terms of outcomes, town had the greater outcome of winning, but not by much.

[Greeting]

I believe that at the very start of the game and up until Day 2 it was actually very balanced and it was the mafia who stood a very good chance to win the game. A traitor with this setup would make the mafia too strong, and a neutral wouldn’t influence the strength of the mafia in the game.

I do recognise that NJAC’s death caused a swing, but that swing was far from being the only reason for town winning and mafia losing.

Oh, and statistically it would have been possible for the game to end Day 2, but very unlikely and highly dependent on the play itself.

[geraintm]

Crescent - what made you scum read me so much this game?

[NJAC]

It was unfortunate that the end of D2 was during my sleeping time. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw that I was about to get hammered so claimed, and I had some convincing arguments to explain why I chose Kitty, but I needed to go back to sleep, and I never imagined that town was going to hammer a claimed investigative role. That was decisive for the game, so well done Town, specially Porkens and Salsa.

What were those arguments?

I was ready to explain that during N1 I made several ISOs and found in your ISO that you were trying to gain my confidence and convince me that you're town, and that what called my attention is that you seemed to know that I was town, but you really didn't have any reason to treat me like I was town, unless you were already informed. Or something in those lines.

Not sure if this was convincing enough, but I thought you could also confirm my claim somehow. But as I said I needed to go back to sleep, so couldn't defend and explain, and never imagined that town would hammer like that.

[NJAC]

@Greeting thanks for taking the time to explain your view on the balance of the game. As I said I'm not an expert, so you're probably right about it.

[MalcolmTucker]

Oh wow, was away and come back to see this one is done, well done town.