Open 865 | CultD3 | Postgame

[Roden]

It’s funny that no one is just trying to reassess and step into my shoes here.
I’m town but no one is giving me the benefit of the doubt and tbh it’s kinda demoralizing which is where I’m at the moment


UNVOTE: me

It's kinda impossible to give you the benefit of the doubt here when you self vote and don't get quick hammered. It's an instant loss if you were town, which means at this point we have to figure out if you're a recruit trying to draw the vote or if you're the CL trying to scare people off.

For me, I think unvoting sooner rather than later makes sense as a CL, because the AtE attempt looks less convincing as time goes on and you're not yet hammered.

[MathBlade]

So the people voting Mala were Mala NK15 and Meg.

Meg did this weird vote Unvote thing. So let’s see if we can eliminate some worlds

[MegAzumarill]

I'll probably revote after I hear what you have to say. You're really the only person opposed to it right now

[MathBlade]

I'll probably revote after I hear what you have to say. You're really the only person opposed to it right now

Not opposed more seeing where lines end up.

Mala on here was Mala NK15 and you.

If anyone was scum lurking they could have hammered if Mala wasn’t cult leader.

It’s an established fact from the setup cult have daytalk

[MathBlade]

So if the entire scum team is on wagon already then no possibility of cross vote

Which means you either quick flash wagoned as town or there’s no possible scum buddy for you to vote with on it. Or you’re baiting town while your budd(ies) is/are AFK

[MathBlade]

Half tempted to join and half tempted to see who jumps on for future analysis. If its's wrong its probably over but eh I think Mala's prolly just vurbing associatives here.
May as well wait

I find wording like this very typical of scum. I think I don’t want a Mala wagon. I feel super sketched out.

[MathBlade]

What do you think the chances are of CL!Mala self-voting here vs notCL!Mala?

I don't know Mala well enough to say if they personally would do it more as CL vs. Non-CL.

My working theory is Mala is CL and their team is in decent shape even if they go down. It's still not ideal that they go down, but nobody's going to outright defend them in the cult because we'd make Shor work of then when Mala flipped.

I mean if Meg wanted Mala to die she could have kept her vote here and when Johnny came on Mala would be hammered no?

I don’t get this. If she wants it for future analysis then why not keep it?

[MegAzumarill]

I'll probably revote after I hear what you have to say. You're really the only person opposed to it right now

Not opposed more seeing where lines end up.

Mala on here was Mala NK15 and you.

If anyone was scum lurking they could have hammered if Mala wasn’t cult leader.

It’s an established fact from the setup cult have daytalk

I mean it was an open window of like 30 seconds.

Whar do you mean by lines here?

[MathBlade]

I'll probably revote after I hear what you have to say. You're really the only person opposed to it right now

Not opposed more seeing where lines end up.

Mala on here was Mala NK15 and you.

If anyone was scum lurking they could have hammered if Mala wasn’t cult leader.

It’s an established fact from the setup cult have daytalk

I mean it was an open window of like 30 seconds.

Whar do you mean by lines here?

Like party lines.

[MegAzumarill]

I.e. potential partners if I was scum here?

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 3.03

It's the way that you feel
It's the truth in your eye
You got wings upon your back and you can fly

Not Voting (7):

Fredrick A Campbell, JohnnyFarrar, Malakittens, MathBlade, MegAzumarill, Not Known 15, Roden

With 7 alive, it's 4 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 3 is October 16 at 12:30 PM EDT.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-10-16 12:30:00)

Let’s assume Mala is cult for a moment and not CL.

Then if we hammered Mala

Then tomorrow we go into 6 alive and 3 cult and 3 town. Scum would still win if they hadn’t failed a convert.

So I know that of the people wanting to vote Mala at that time (Mala, NK15, Meg, and Johnny) had all expressed interest. In a three scum world I know that there has to be at least one scum in that four. Because me Roden and Fred does not a town of four make.

[MathBlade]

Gah I don’t think Mala is the CL which probably has dead thread screaming I am an idiot

[MegAzumarill]

That does assume that
A. scum would want to recruit Mala here and that
B. Mala would be playing to AtE llike this when about to win

Both don't feel likely especially in tandem.

[MathBlade]

That does assume that
A. scum would want to recruit Mala here and that
B. Mala would be playing to AtE llike this when about to win

Both don't feel likely especially in tandem.

It’s more I am starting with facts then going to play.

Unless I find a wagon exactly three people and myself and only that combo want then that’s the only way NK15’s cop claim works.

If Mala happens to be the cult leader and I am not on wagon then NK15 also has to be culted.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean who would you say is CL I know you talked about NK15 but that feels far-fetched fmpov.

I think today all the mulling around over the obvious elim probably indicates a scum bus waiting for a misplaced vote. It just feels like scum don't want to make a move and I feel like scum, specially recruits would have so much room to move in if Mala is not CL

[MegAzumarill]

That does assume that
A. scum would want to recruit Mala here and that
B. Mala would be playing to AtE llike this when about to win

Both don't feel likely especially in tandem.

It’s more I am starting with facts then going to play.

Unless I find a wagon exactly three people and myself and only that combo want then that’s the only way NK15’s cop claim works.

If Mala happens to be the cult leader and I am not on wagon then NK15 also has to be culted.

I don't follow

[MathBlade]

4 town and 3 scum is the current gamestate

Assume I am town and NK15 is town.

This means two other town can exist.

The wagon of four is Mala, You, NK15, Johnny

If you assign yourself NK15 and Johnny town then there has to be Mala scum.

There has to be a scum somewhere in that group of four.

[MathBlade]

With me so far?

[MegAzumarill]

k

[MegAzumarill]

Continue

[MathBlade]

If there is a scum on the wagon then it is proscum for their wincon.

Meaning either A) Mala wins then the game or B) advances their gamestate.

If it is option A) we lose
If it is option B) there are not 3 scum. If there are not 3 scum the PR had to be a JK who stopped a convert. If the PR is a JK then we don’t have a cop. If Option B then NK15 is scum.

[MathBlade]

Since I know there is a scum in that group of four I kinda don’t want a Mala wagon unless it is a huge ass gambit by Mala then well done. It’s possible but I am not sure if Mala bets the whole game on it as CL.

[MegAzumarill]

I'd argue that advancing their wincon could be winning towncred here if they feel Mala always goes down today.
I mean I'll consider it closer tomorrow but I don't think it's wise to bottleneck scum!NK here on a CL Mala.

[MathBlade]

Well let’s play out a few scenarios where Mala just dies

Mala CL recruits Roden N1 their lack of effort is pretty much screaming scum to me. Then who else?

[MegAzumarill]

In a world of Town!NK a CL lim is not a trivial win here (in fact its not trivial regardless of his alignment )
I don't really think thats convincing enough for me to swap.


As for a Roden recruit n1, I could see either a NK or Gamma/Johnny recruit. I don't really see a lot pigeonholing the choice there