Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[T-Bone]

I have to make a decision to vote today. I'm getting on a train this afternoon and I have no idea how the cell coverage will be in the Midwest and rockies. Probably spotty at best. I'm between PPF and Magician for reasons that have been stated. I won't stand in the way of an Enchant flip but I can't commit to hammering only because I don't know what my internet connection will be.

[Enchant]

hmmm

I don't really have anything to say
does it mean i lost argument


Anyway. I don't know if there's 3 lunars or 4.

If there's 3 lunars, we probably can go Me>PPF and if it's wrong, you have another shot afterwards. That's probably a win. I am not argueing with that.
If there's 4 lunars, it can and probably will lead us to lose.


I just find it how convineint that "If there's lunar it's Enchant" argument comed from. Like it does zero sense for Firebringer to sheep with most inactive player in the game regardless of their alignment and kinda yeah for some reason i buddied with every scum in game which i find hilarious. Seems like my joke about teaming up with both teams turned to be truth.


Anyway. It's not really matter if you believe i am town, it's more matter if you believe there's 4 lunar and if you think i personally are Lunar.

[T-Bone]

I think the argument being posed is that you're the last Solar though.

[Enchant]

DDL implued i am last lunar actually.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

To clarify:

IF there is another Lunar, I think Enchant is the only player that makes sense. T-Bone is obvtown, Magician is obvtown, PPF can't be Lunar and wouldn't make sense as Lunar. Enchant is the only option, and I don't believe there's any reason that Enchant wouldn't be Lunar.

IF there is no Lunar and there's only Solar, then I think PPF and Enchant are both possible options. Both T-Bone and Magician make especially little sense as Solar. Enchant and PPF are both fine options for Solar scum.

I think the more likely scenario is that there's just one Solar left.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I just find it how convineint that "If there's lunar it's Enchant" argument comed from. Like it does zero sense for Firebringer to sheep with most inactive player in the game regardless of their alignment and kinda yeah for some reason i buddied with every scum in game which i find hilarious. Seems like my joke about teaming up with both teams turned to be truth.

Both Firebringer's and Ydrasse's play make zero sense generally from a trying-to-endgame perspective

I think the explanation for their play that makes the most sense to me is that when Firebringer and Ydrasse lost MMR, they both decided the game was probably just a loss for them because neither of them were engaged enough to endgame, so they kinda didn't bother

I can theoretically see a world where you fit into that equation as their buddy. I don't think that's what's happening here, but I think it's possible.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I think some evidence for there not being another Lunar is the fact that Firebringer did not choose to put us into Night phase or Dusk phase

With the potential for PPF!town to get eliminated today and swap the phases, it is entirely possible that there would not be another Night phase, meaning whatever factional ability Lunar has couldn't be used (assuming they're all used at Night)

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I also think there's an argument to be made that we specifically are not Lunar for this

I think we were a rather likely Solar kill target last Noon, and Firebringer didn't prevent that

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Basically, if we're last Lunar, why did Firebringer let the game go to Noon with us 'clear'?

[T-Bone]

I don't think there's another Lunar tbh and it's not worth trying to deal with because if there is whomever is town is fucked most likely. I also think we limmed correctly too many times for us to now be screwed.

[T-Bone]

I'm leaning towards the simplest solution. I don't think there's another Lunar. Whatever their factional abilities were I don't think recruitment was one of them. I don't want PPF in 3p that's too dangerous. It's time to find out whether MMR had something real or not, and if they didn't well at least we don't have to ask that question in 3p. If this is a mislim, I'd rather it happen now so we have another chance at it. If PPF is scum then all I can say is Nancy played an excellent scum game GG.

VOTE: PPF

I'll check the thread as often as I can cell coverage willing. I can change my vote if need be but from what I think we know about this game this is both the correct elimination tactically and an elimination that has a good chance to be correct.

[Past Present Future]

I think some evidence for there not being another Lunar is the fact that Firebringer did not choose to put us into Night phase or Dusk phase

With the potential for PPF!town to get eliminated today and swap the phases, it is entirely possible that there would not be another Night phase, meaning whatever factional ability Lunar has couldn't be used (assuming they're all used at Night)

Yes, exactly, if I get eliminated today, game skips to noon.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

If PPF is scum then all I can say is Nancy played an excellent scum game GG.

This is the single thing that makes me hesitate to eliminate PPF. If this is a scum game, it's a really, really good one. There are a couple of pieces of evidence that I think pretty decently indicate that PPF could be scum here, but I find it hard to commit to them just because Nancy has played in a way that looks really townie.

I don't want PPF in 3p that's too dangerous.

I ultimately definitely agree with this though.

[Enchant]

I am not sure what to do if PPF flips Town as it implues that Magician or T-Bone are Solar.

[Enchant]

We prob just lose idk

[T-Bone]

Yeah I agree but I think we have to commit to something. I think the biggest piece of information we have hanging over this game is resolving MMR's claim. I mean no matter who we flip there's always the danger we flip the wrong player. If the three of you want to lim Enchant instead you can!

[Enchant]

Hi i don't want to flip Enchant.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

If you can see from my perspective for a second Enchant, that's exactly why I've been wanting to flip you first

I think eliminating you and then PPF definitely eliminates the last Solar before Solar can possibly make a kill, and then if there's somehow still a Lunar at that point we've got a shot at them (even though if we're still playing the game at me/T-Bone/Magician 3p ELo my brain will explode, it's still optimal to play towards it)

If PPF is town and gets voted first, then I feel like we forfeit our chances of winning if we're in 3-1-1

The main reason I'm willing to consider voting PPF today anyway is because even if PPF is town, I believe that means you're Solar and I believe T-Bone should be able to see that Magician is not Solar scum. It's not how I personally would like to play this out, but I think it would still net a win.

Realistically I think the one scenario we've got a decent chance of losing in is if PPF is Solar and you're Lunar.

[Enchant]

I see from your perspective, more over would advocate for it atf same place. But i am not on same place lol.


Anyway, as i said, it's more matter if you believe if there's even 4th Lunar. In other case, it's perfectly justified to elim me first.
Issue is i THINK there's 4th Lunar.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I'm going to chat with Bella, but I'm prepared to hammer PPF.

If PPF is town then I think it's very clear that Enchant is the last Solar scum.

If PPF is Solar and the game is still going, we should in theory have two eliminations left to find the last Lunar, and I'm comfortable with that situation.

[T-Bone]

I do see why you want to flip Enchant ftr. I've made the calculation that I think treating this game as 4-1 is the right move. If it's 3-1-1 then we deal with it tomorrow or post game I guess.

[T-Bone]

Honestly if PPF is town and triggers both night like phases maybe scum killing one another is our best option in 3-1-1 idk

[T-Bone]

I presume if there are two scum left they don't know one another for sure and could do us a favor, even inadvertently

[Past Present Future]

I don’t understand why you’d want to hammer me today @Dangle? Or anyone for that matter. Fire flip proves my claim and if I die during dusk, time flips to noon but up to you but don’t say I didn’t tell that was going to happen because I told the truth but whatever.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

VOTE: Past Present Future

Let's find out.