Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[Firebringer]

my first action during the night was targetting skitter again.
But then i realized. I really wanted to confirm herta as not scum more than confirming skitter scum.
so i blocked herta knowing he wasn't going to be kill target. If no kill then 100% him. But i felt it was skitter before doing it.

[Val89]

Ydra self-hammered within a minute of Skitter saying she was considering voting Ydra.

If a Skitter-Ydra scum team wanted to end the day before town had time to coordinate, was that such a nessacary risk, particularly given how the fake claim tied the two together 2 days ago?

@FB: Is your working theory back to skitter trying to make the kill the night she was jailed and Ydra faked the check?

[MathBlade]

Ydra self-hammered within a minute of Skitter saying she was considering voting Ydra.

If a Skitter-Ydra scum team wanted to end the day before town had time to coordinate, was that such a nessacary risk, particularly given how the fake claim tied the two together 2 days ago?

@FB: Is your working theory back to skitter trying to make the kill the night she was jailed and Ydra faked the check?

Ydra as scum does it to deny conversation
Skitter as scum does it to avoid looking like she’s cutting off the day.

[innocentvillager]

I have nothing to add rn

[innocentvillager]

Sorry for not being here end of yesterday, RL was quite busy. Glad my votepark was right tho lmao

[skitter30]

Hey sorry busy day

VOTE: fire
I think you're scum with herta at this point

[Herta]

Okay I laughed.

[Herta]

Is fire confirmed by anything more than play?

[Herta]

Really the simple answer is skitter.

But I guess other possibilities exist. Scum ydra townchecks scum skitter. That just seems messy. Made for this moment. But scum ydra townchecking town skiter, and scum fire townchecking town herta. That seems sexier. Also made for this moment. And much more worthy of scum in this game.

[Firebringer]

Hey sorry busy day

VOTE: fire
I think you're scum with herta at this point

ur going with theres 4 scum in this game? thats ur strat?

[Firebringer]

@FB: Is your working theory back to skitter trying to make the kill the night she was jailed and Ydra faked the check?

yeah

[MathBlade]

Hey sorry busy day

VOTE: fire
I think you're scum with herta at this point

4 scum in a mini normal?

[MathBlade]

@FB: Is your working theory back to skitter trying to make the kill the night she was jailed and Ydra faked the check?

yeah

Mine too. Fire guess we’re scum together with Herta. 5 scum in a mini normal lol

[MathBlade]

Really the simple answer is skitter.

But I guess other possibilities exist. Scum ydra townchecks scum skitter. That just seems messy. Made for this moment. But scum ydra townchecking town skiter, and scum fire townchecking town herta. That seems sexier. Also made for this moment. And much more worthy of scum in this game.

Quite honestly we need to flip Skitter today.

If she’s town she can leave us last reads and we can consider weird worlds.

[Firebringer]

skitter probably should just surrender.
she has no paths to victory. she is going to flip today.
her only path was trying to push herta today, kill math then flip me the next day and then try to get innocent to vote with her to get rid of val89.
that is out the window now that herta is confirmed.
she doesn't have room for yeets.
Game is over.

[Firebringer]

Like genuinely theres no world i see skitter actually seeing yesterday 2 wagons and thinking it was a choice between two scum. Zero chance she believes this nonsense about 4 scum.

Ur telling me skitter thinks:
A) I bussed pooky. [Fine lets say i did]
B) When she got 'cleared', I immediately said, we will need to flip my scum ally ydrasse to prove the veractiy of that clear.
C) When theres a push on me, ydrasse half assed buss me, and then i counter pushed her. How does me and ydrasse wagons both look like scum to her?
D) Also i was pushing herta with HER for days. So i was pushing another ally according to skitter.

Makes zero sense. Its just gibberish.

[Val89]

Ydra as scum does it to deny conversation
Skitter as scum does it to avoid looking like she’s cutting off the day.

And if Ydra had just self-hammered, we would be sitting here thinking "hmmm...why did

skitter

cut off the day?".

Give over.

[Val89]

But I guess other possibilities exist. Scum ydra townchecks scum skitter. That just seems messy. Made for this moment. But scum ydra townchecking town skiter, and scum fire townchecking town herta. That seems sexier. Also made for this moment. And much more worthy of scum in this game.

I'm inclined to agree with this.

[Firebringer]

i mean...that theory requires me to no kill for 2 nights and then i give out a free inno check on herta when i already claimed i was out of shots.
So i mean....sexy? Sounds pretty ridiculous scum strategy imo.

[Val89]

I think you're scum with herta at this point

That's not it, chief.

Regardless of fires' alignment; Herta is essentially confirmed town here. I'm never going to agree we get to where we get with 4 scum votes, that's a non-starter.

[Val89]

So i mean....sexy? Sounds pretty ridiculous scum strategy imo.

Sexy is an odd word choice for sure. It would be a WIFOMy gambit, like...I dunno....claiming a one-shot clear on your partner, or something.

[Val89]

So, for Skitter to be scum, we have:

town informed macho innocent child ninja enabler
town ascetic watcher
town ninja (infinite) doctor
town informed at-least-three-shot jailkeeper
6x VT

2x mafia ninja goon
mafia ninja ??

I think it's a reasonable assumption that toto survived until after mass-claim because scum were informed of his enablement; so mafia informed ninja ?? is likely. In this world, a shot by any scum at IV N1 could run into the doc save; Math could have been the target of any of the 3 N2; skitter submits the kill N3.

Can someone fill in the ?? for me with something that makes sense with skitter submitting the N3 kill and failing?

[MathBlade]

I kinda have learned not to do that as setups are not balanced usually in my opinion.

If I have to guess I would go strongman.

[MathBlade]

Like if we assume Skitter town

IV -> Deliberate no kill N2 possible
Fire -> Deliberate no kill N2 and N3 and “clears” Herta very unlikely
You -> Possible as you pinged me earlier
Herta -> Clear from fire

So like no matter how this shakes out a confirmed town will be in final three and Skitter is just policy.

[Firebringer]

did kitty ever explain why he didn't watch u NIght 2?
it was kind of obvious u would be a target.