Gnosia Game over!

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Oh god this game started mb
Reading now

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I haven't played Gnosia and I don't know much about it but uh hey I have an anime avatar

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State your human.

I'm a human!

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There sure is a lot of mech talk and I'm not getting anything from any of it

I kinda like FakeGod around Page 6 giving what feels like just genuinely what's on his mind

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Roden feels legit to me too with his thoughts on NK15 vs Enchant

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Scoliosis immediately hard towns in 163

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Jessica Rabbit will almost certainly be readable over time at this rate

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VOTE: JunkoChan

She posts a lot and says a lot of things that look vaguely helpful but I don't think any of them are town things.

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I lose nothing.

I just don't believe NK and his ability.

Oh, I do have that ability.

So. This is flipless but open so things are going to be a bit different.
For example.... People claiming after Day 1 cannot be confirmed which means that the Engineer has to claim Day 1.

I am the Engineer!

Whoever wants to counterclaim: now or never.

I counterclaim.

I am Engineer.

If Enchant's claim is fake, he decided to CC Engineer in 1 minute 26 seconds
I'm of the opinion that that's not enough time for him to have confidently decided to CC if it's fake

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Scoliosis immediately hard towns in 163

VOTE: JunkoChan

She posts a lot and says a lot of things that look vaguely helpful but I don't think any of them are town things.

huh, excuse me how do you go from 227 to 229?

Is your implication that because I townread Scoliosis I shouldn't scumread you, because Scoliosis had a townread on you?

Otherwise I'm not sure what your point is here

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If Enchant's claim is fake, he decided to CC Engineer in 1 minute 26 seconds
I'm of the opinion that that's not enough time for him to have confidently decided to CC if it's fake

...unless Enchant made that decision before I claimed.

Nah I don't think Enchant did that.

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Elmo's town

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I don't think Enchant plans that far ahead and CCs with that much confidence.

[Klick]

No

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My only concern was that your ability is a One shot. Which I'm assuming it's not by how you are talking. That's my biggest concern with this game

Abilities in the source material(yes I know it) are usually

not

one-shot. I'll explain later. For now please follow the instructions.

From what I've learnes about the lore. I believe this

For clarity sake.

I am human.

Elmo's town

could you like

please walk me through what town thought process

you are detecting from elmo in 304

?

like to me

sure from source material not all abilities one-shot

yup sure

i am human yup again sure standard response

but why do you think this comes from town!elmo specifically like what thoughts do you think elmo is having that brings this together into, oh look a town! ya know

Why do you assume that post specifically is the reason I think Elmo is town
Elmo posted quite a few times in a short space

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If Enchant's claim is fake, he decided to CC Engineer in 1 minute 26 seconds
I'm of the opinion that that's not enough time for him to have confidently decided to CC if it's fake

...unless Enchant made that decision before I claimed.

Nah I don't think Enchant did that.

i mean, enchant was actively thinking about claims long before the game even started

viewtopic.php?p=13558956#p13558956

how are you weighing the likelihood here

This is a fair point and does make me less certain!

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Gimme a sec to get in the house and I'll respond to that properly

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1. Engineer (Cop)
2. Guardian Angel (Doctor)
3. Doctor (Coroner)
4. Guard Duty (Mason)
5. Guard Duty (Mason)
6. Crewmate (VT)
7. Crewmate (VT)
8. Crewmate (VT)
9. Crewmate (VT)
10. Crewmate (VT)
11. Gnosia (Mafia Goon)
12. Gnosia (Mafia Goon)
13. Gnosia (Mafia Goon)
14. AC Follower (Mafia Traitor)
15. Bug (Anti-Social Survivor)

I'm only quoting this so I understand the setup for this game.

I really don't see the logic behind it.

There are three groups trying to win in this game. Presumably, each group has some percentage of victory.

If we kill off one of the groups, then logic dictates that the chance of victory goes up for the other two groups.

Although, I need to reconsider my proposal - I did not know how the Bug's victory condition worked until shiki explained it to me.

I'm sorry in advance I'm bouncing around this thread.

FakeGod is town. I'm sorry there's not, a way around this. If they are scum then gg but this post sets it up.

I thought these two posts were both very towny

I think 296 demonstrates that Elmo hasn't thought about the setup much prior to this. I believe Elmo is quoting that because she is actually using that to start from scratch in her thinking about the setup. I believe if Elmo were scum, there'd be a scum PT to use for that instead/there'd likely already be sufficient discussion there that she'd not need to do this. I understand that this is

easy

to fake, but I don't think posting this is the likely route Elmo takes if she were actually scum. (I have a fairly large amount of experience with Elmo, and although it was years ago I feel like I had a grasp of Elmo's playstyle/thought process and a lot of that is transferable. I don't think Elmo's the type of person who thinks 'oh I'll feign setup ignorance because that'll make it seem like I know less than I do as scum'.)

I buy Elmo's FakeGod townread, I can see how she came to that conclusion and I don't think it's the kind of read she feels the need to share as scum.

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I feel like people often get caught up in how

easy

something is to fake to the neglect of considering how likely a scum is to

choose

to fake something

I think there's a ton of scumhunting potential in figuring out what kind of people players are, how they're likely to make decisions, especially because lots of people have a much narrower range of behaviour than is usually expected when playing Mafia

But like, that's just my opinion, man

[Klick]

aight shiki is town

*leaves without explaining why like Klick does until questioned*

I could see shiki being town yeah

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inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Not everyone you play against is actually a mastermind trying to 3d chess their way into your town list

[Klick]

Not CCed Engineer.

sure

which is something yeah can see some value

anything regarding the alignments of others?

Not really sure. Fakegod gived me a pause when i saw asking of NK15 about role. If ability is real, then scum!god would support me and lie that NK15 traitor.

Yeah, i think that's just unawareofmech Klick

@Klick do You still tr Elmo for this tho?

Nope, not for that specifically. I think the other point holds value still and is the one I cared more about anyway, but yeah 296 isn't a towntell considering scum don't have daytalk

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Oops emptyquote

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slightly +scum but mostly NAI for Klick - why bring up the maf PT unless for the purpose of townslipping?

Because I was asked what posts made Elmo town and that was a big part of why 296 made Elmo town to me

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inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

Have you seen scum elmo do theater like this, klick?

No. It looks like genuine annoyance to me. But I also think Elmo gets genuinely annoyed at people as town and scum

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Jessica Rabbit will almost certainly be readable over time at this rate

Do you have a read on rabbit yet?

Most likely town

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inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

so I can't express my opinion about your incredibly bad entrance?

you'll have to deal with me for this game buddy, so get. used. to. it. Don't worry maybe people start realizing your posts are full of question marks and you won't have to be here for long

Really theres a difference between expressing an opinion and feeling what feels like attacking someone. Sorry I dont get full posts or thoughts and Id rather questions be asked from me and If I'm not giving the best answers or not getting to you timely enough then so be it. Its almost headache inducing at this point

Faaaaaaake

Not fake.

[Klick]

I think Ranger is town who is townreading scum.

I like this take while feeling agnostic about my own Ranger read

[Klick]

Klick, please let me try asking one more time in a slightly different way:

+Scum for Elmo, but i already think elmo is scum

You think Im scum in every game we play.

no talk ongoing game please

Point still stands. Even then you haven't liked anything I've had to say and honestly it takes a toll. Either way have a good weekend.

+Scum for Elmo, but i already think elmo is scum

You think Im scum in every game we play.

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

so I can't express my opinion about your incredibly bad entrance?

you'll have to deal with me for this game buddy, so get. used. to. it. Don't worry maybe people start realizing your posts are full of question marks and you won't have to be here for long

Really theres a difference between expressing an opinion and feeling what feels like attacking someone. Sorry I dont get full posts or thoughts and Id rather questions be asked from me and If I'm not giving the best answers or not getting to you timely enough then so be it. Its almost headache inducing at this point

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

Do the above resemble any posts you've seen elmo make when they were angry as either alignment?

Yes. This is characteristic of Elmo.

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Well. Everyone reacted, so i can admit.

I am not Engineer.

That was fakeclaim.

I'm disappointed but think your shenanigans are likely town anyways

the way they played around it is not.

me and fakegod (and someone else i forget) going back and forth about whether town/scum would cc and fam literally did not interact with that discussion once! even as a info play u wanna SPECIFICALLY interact with ppl discussing what alignment ur play comes from. enchant definitely saw nk15's claim, thought it was fake, and cc'd hoping to see who would vote him with not enough justification to figure out the real engineer. 100% scum info play.

If I were making the play Enchant made as town, I would tend towards ignoring the discussion about alignment. I'd want the claim to be legitimised and ignoring the idea that it's anything but TvS is how I'd approach it.

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I DO think the play makes Enchant significantly +bug.