i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Titus]

.............................................
yes i too am most powerful wizard i am very trustworthy yes yes.
the above is sarcasm.

either this ends the game, or this ends the day and we have a 50/50 chance of catching scum. i am tired and in a gambling mood. VOTE: Frogsterking

NOTE THAT FROG IS AT E-2 NOW

I have to be objective, this is very bad transistion.

[Titus]

Why exactly do you think I'm playing very badly?

read #906, where i have detailed my utter confusion at your thought process. here's a link.
viewtopic.php?p=13592523#p13592523

i assume that a jester!frog here wins when dead, in which case the course of action here is probably to ignore him completely until we have reason to suspect that he's a different sort of scum?

mcmenno mentioned having a role that interferes with investigatives so i assume that if true that's a counter to someone else's role. would be a convenient way of resolving the frog conundrum.

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yes i too am most powerful wizard i am very trustworthy yes yes.
the above is sarcasm.

either this ends the game, or this ends the day and we have a 50/50 chance of catching scum. i am tired and in a gambling mood. VOTE: Frogsterking

NOTE THAT FROG IS AT E-2 NOW

[Ranger]

It's not comforting to me that you want to kill my VCA clear when Patterson and Gimli are much more suspicious.

Your VCA ignores context displaying why it's inaccurate.

Your VCA claimed Not_Mafia hammered Lycanfire to save me, when

that's backwards from the evidence

.

Your VCA ignores context such as Enchant, Not_Mafia, and Quiet Owl having quickhammered Frogsterking on D1.

Your VCA ignores how MathBlade voted for kitten around, which indicates MathBlade's Quiet Owl vote may have been similar.

Your VCA ignores how MathBlade is the only flipped scum on Quiet Owl, a wagon

your allegedly conftown partner was a part of

.
Your VCA ignores how

two of the dead scum

were on kitten around, indicating

scum clearly approved of the wagon

(you have PROOF that

scum bussed

).

Not one but

two

dead scum were on the wagon; the only dead scum not on the wagon were kitten around herself and MathBlade.

If two scum were on kitten around, chances are fairly high the scum weren't trying to counterwagon kitten around with a wagon on a town player. Were they, the scum wouldn't be on kitten around; they'd be on that counterwagon.

[Titus]

I'm going to reflect on this but if Paterson refuses to claim, I may just go back to my early reads.

Eliminate QO, I implode Ranger, Ranger shoots Paterson or NM or KittyTacky.

I want to review the Kitty fruit fiasco again first. Math hard defended me there until I pushed McMenno so he may have hard defended bc I was wrong.

[Titus]

I really don't like how we're this close to elo and Kitty Tacky is just gone...

[Ranger]

If we lim Ranger, then it frees me up to do what they fear, actually get the real last scum.

Funny you say that.

I have a claimed kill.

What stops scum from being afraid *I* will shoot the last scum?

My reads could be wrong the entire game; all it takes for me to win the game is to have

one

action turn that around.

That's a threat to the scum.

[Titus]

If we lim Ranger, then it frees me up to do what they fear, actually get the real last scum.

Funny you say that.

I have a claimed kill.

What stops scum from being afraid *I* will shoot the last scum?

My reads could be wrong the entire game; all it takes for me to win the game is to have

one

action turn that around.

That's a threat to the scum.

There's a reason why I'm reflecting here. We're close to elo. We should have eliminated you ages ago for your yoga in trying to argue I'd lie about mod confirmation while just skipping the obvious (maybe I was lied to). We should have limmed you for that because you should know better.

Now, since we don't have the room to policy you, we need everything on the table. That includes Paterson claiming.

You also deserve a VCA response but I usually eyeroll most claims of "but context" as just ignoring the evidence. I will give it another look since you can't be both scum and SK.

[Ranger]

I feel Ranger is the SK and scum want the KPN. Her post might as well scream SK.

As the SK, I don't 3p hunt.
I hunt scum.
I shoot at scumreads. (Not townreads.) My HighPrincessErinys kill matches shooting my scumreads. If I were the one to kill the Gamma Emerald slot, that would too. But why would I claim the Princess kill and then

not

claim the Gamma Emerald slot kill? And where's my kill on a scumread N1? I was townreading both StD and MT, with both in my top tier of townread. I guarantee you neither was killed by me.

I don't suspect a serial killer duo while I am the serial killer.

I hunt for scum and try to make people think there's no third party at all.

Frogsterking's flip proves there's a serial killer, sure, but I was hunting 3p on D1, before Frogsterking flipped.

I literally have neighborhood proof I made the Psychiatrist/Psychologist mixup N1. (KittyTacky and the furtiveglance hydra can confirm. I quoted a MathBlade post and erroneously confused Psychiatrist and Psychologist. Not sure if I'm allowed to specify a post or page, but it was about 2/3rds through the neighborhood PT, and about middle in my iso.)
As a serial killer, that's not a mistake I'd have made.

As the SK, I don't claim a role which makes me look like a serial killer.

I'm not a Serial Killer. I actually think my role was meant to be protective with the option of being used offensively.

[Ranger]

Unless we get a doc claim on Ranger or a QO block (unlikely), there's certain scum in Ranger and QO. QO, why didn't you claim this sooner? Why wait until massclaim?

Almost like Quiet Owl is fakeclaiming.

Remember when we had Quiet Owl near elimination and QO refused to claim?

I sure do!

[Ranger]

What's a super saint?

Supersaints kill the hammerer.

[Quiet Owl]

I feel Ranger is the SK and scum want the KPN. Her post might as well scream SK.

As the SK, I don't 3p hunt.
I hunt scum.
I shoot at scumreads. (Not townreads.) My HighPrincessErinys kill matches shooting my scumreads. If I were the one to kill the Gamma Emerald slot, that would too. But why would I claim the Princess kill and then

not

claim the Gamma Emerald slot kill? And where's my kill on a scumread N1? I was townreading both StD and MT, with both in my top tier of townread. I guarantee you neither was killed by me.

I don't suspect a serial killer duo while I am the serial killer.

I hunt for scum and try to make people think there's no third party at all.

Frogsterking's flip proves there's a serial killer, sure, but I was hunting 3p on D1, before Frogsterking flipped.

I literally have neighborhood proof I made the Psychiatrist/Psychologist mixup N1. (KittyTacky and the furtiveglance hydra can confirm. I quoted a MathBlade post and erroneously confused Psychiatrist and Psychologist. Not sure if I'm allowed to specify a post or page, but it was about 2/3rds through the neighborhood PT, and about middle in my iso.)
As a serial killer, that's not a mistake I'd have made.

As the SK, I don't claim a role which makes me look like a serial killer.

I'm not a Serial Killer. I actually think my role was meant to be protective with the option of being used offensively.

you absolutely were not hunting 3p on D1. you actively discouraged it by calling it pro-scum in 1116.

[Quiet Owl]

Unless we get a doc claim on Ranger or a QO block (unlikely), there's certain scum in Ranger and QO. QO, why didn't you claim this sooner? Why wait until massclaim?

Almost like Quiet Owl is fakeclaiming.

Remember when we had Quiet Owl near elimination and QO refused to claim?

I sure do!

strange how you like the "this role is too elaborate to possibly have come from scum" defence for yourself, but think it indicates that i'm scum.
strange how you can't see the difference between being blatantly pressured into claiming on D2, and massclaiming on D4.

[Ranger]

you, however, were being seriously questioned for the first time by a player who was generally townread.

Not so. There has been suspicion on me from townread players the entire game. (I can track these Ranger suspicions from townread players later reversed if you insist, but suffice to say, this is provable by reading the thread, something you seem adverse to doing. I wonder why?)

They never gained traction.

Lycanfire was no different.

You know why they never gained traction?

Because every single time, I talked to them and they were satisfied enough with my responses.

Lycanfire was no different.

Had Lycanfire not been executed, I'd have been able to convince him, the same way I had convinced other townread players.

The only difference between Lycanfire and those previous times was Lycanfire was executed.

[Ranger]

Ranger, your alternative suggestions of what you could have claimed (any 3rd party, plain vig) would be more likely to be perceived as an obvious SK fakeclaim than your current claim. It doesn't make sense to argue that you would have been better off claiming those instead.

Not from me.

There's far simpler claims to make which avoid looking like a serial killer. Why not just claim the doctor half? That role fits on its own. What about 'indecisive duet doctor' screams serial killer to you?

It doesn't.

It's not something I'd fakeclaim.

[Titus]

I want Paterson's claim. Regardless, we have a scum in Ranger/QO.

There's also a way, since Gimli is supposedly a supersaint, to actually force a death onto QO and eliminating a awkward elo.

We lim Gimli.
Force QO to hammer.
I blow up Ranger.
Imaginality dies.
Ranger blows Paterson or Kitty Tacky (not NM because of hammer recipient - I don't want to believe NM had a role tailor made to them atm).

This leaves Summon, KT/Paterson and NM aluve.

Flip the KT or Paterson if game is ongoing.

Town wins.

[Titus]

No wait, I forgot the scum kill. Crap. Nevermind.

[Titus]

Hang on. I need to ask the mod something.

[Ranger]

We know Gamma was town and Enchant scum. This wagon came superfast after Frogsterking claimed with zero attempt at clarification. So it's time to look at NM and QO closer regarding Frogsterking.

Guess who, in contrast to that group of names, was an adamant defender of Frogsterking?

There's a reason the D1 wagon empowered my confidence. (Wrongly so, but not without good reason.)

[Ranger]

The fact of insisting lovers came across as knowledge. Knowledge town would claim.

I had no knowledge but I do have basic understanding of your play and mechanical know-how. I'm fully capable of deducing mechanics without prior knowledge; this has gotten me in trouble before off of accusations of having TMI. (Surprise! I just made a good guess. Because mechanics are something I have a good nose for sniffing out as town.)

[Ranger]

You also deserve a VCA response but I usually eyeroll most claims of "but context" as just ignoring the evidence. I will give it another look since you can't be both scum and SK.

You can start with 2718/2719, as well as the preceding 2653.

I laid out which two pages to read, and it is genuinely

two

pages. Literally just two.

Easiest context-check ever.

[Titus]

We can actually possibly prove Ranger and Kitty's roles and leashish me.

We lim QO.
I target Gimli (to control body county)
Ranger and Kitty both target me or imaginality.

We'd be safe at least wifom. Paterson would be dead. [Confirming this with the mod, otherwise I withdraw it]

This would leave NM, myself and imaginality, Summon, Ranger, KittyTacky, and Paterson.

One would die.

Lim Paterson. Game should end.

[Titus]

We can actually possibly prove Ranger and Kitty's roles and leashish me.

We lim QO.
I target Gimli (to control body county)
Ranger and Kitty both target me or imaginality.

We'd be safe at least wifom.

Paterson

Gimli would be dead. [Confirming this with the mod, otherwise I withdraw it]

This would leave NM, myself and imaginality, Summon, Ranger, KittyTacky, and Paterson.

One would die.

Lim Paterson. Game should end.

Ebwop

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We can actually possibly prove Ranger and Kitty's roles and leashish me.

We lim QO.
I target Gimli (to control body county)
Ranger and Kitty both target me or imaginality.

We'd be safe at least wifom. Paterson would be dead. [Confirming this with the mod, otherwise I withdraw it]

This would leave NM, myself and imaginality, Summon, Ranger, KittyTacky, and Paterson.

One would die.

Lim Paterson. Game should end.

You and Imagine won't die in this scenario?

[Titus]

Plan has some flaws, but it would clear Ranger from being SK.

Who is in the hood atm?

[Ranger]

you absolutely were not hunting 3p on D1. you actively discouraged it by calling it pro-scum in 1116.

I said

focusing

on 3p hunting was proscum. (It is.)

I still indulged on the side. 967, 1109, and neighborhood posts, among others.

I believed {Titus, imaginality} wasn't both scum.
I felt the pairing wasn't both town.
They claimed each other as conftown.

Those are all shown throughout D1.